Bernard Hopkins is Overrated....

[Steak]

its also irritating how people make excuses for hopkins
sayin he was past his prime when he lost to taylor
yet he looks great against tarver and pavlik
i guess we should look down on those victories
because those fighters can't be world class
if an old out of his prime b hop could easily beat them
the madness must end

Hopkins was past his prime. its pretty plain to see, just look at him during his prime. he was what he is today, with a little bit better workrate, stamina, and speed.

hes still a fantastic fighter though, which is why I DO give Calzaghe credit for his win over Hopkins...even if I only had him winning by 1 point.
its the best win of his career.

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Hopkins was past his prime. its pretty plain to see, just look at him during his prime. he was what he is today, with a little bit better workrate, stamina, and speed.

hes still a fantastic fighter though, which is why I DO give Calzaghe credit for his win over Hopkins...even if I only had him winning by 1 point.
its the best win of his career.

good post here too...

[djtmal]

Hopkins is GROSSLY overrated. How can a fighter who started his career at 175 scale down to 160 over a 1 1/2 year period, feast on a weak middleweight division, beat up on two blown up welterweights for big $, lose to everybody he fought that was his size with equal talent (except part-time movie actor tarver), move back up to his original division and still make catchweight fights with middleweights still get so much recognition like he is a top 10 atg is beyond me. When is the last time this guy even fought a natural lightheavy? Get him out of here.

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Hopkins is GROSSLY overrated. How can a fighter who started his career at 175 scale down to 160 over a 1 1/2 year period, feast on a weak middleweight division, beat up on two blown up welterweights for big $, lose to everybody he fought that was his size with equal talent (except part-time movie actor tarver) and still get so much recognition like he is a top 10 atg is beyond me.

good points, not included in my original argument
but good case nonetheless

[djtmal]

good points, not included in my original argument
but good case nonetheless

thanks. just never saw how hopkins lovers dismiss those obvious points when comparing him to truly great non heavyweights like srl, srr, duran, hearns, hagler, etc

[RagingTheBull]

Bernard has got (a every fighter, including SRR) his strenghts and weakness. Of course he loves fighters as Tito or Pavlik, he can handle them without big problems.

But just look at his loses: he lost to a young one-handed Jones: i truly believe this is Jones greatest win... but remember that bernard gave Jones much more problems then McCallum or Toney did to Roy. He lost to Taylor, but Taylor was a younger skill, big and talented middleweight.. he lost himself after those 2 fights. He will be a big thing in SW: it's not a shame losing 2 fights against someone talented like him (at 40 years old).

He lost to Calzaghe at 43... but he gave Joe lot of problems. A lot. It has been the most difficult fight (included the Reid fight) for Joe. Period.

Summin' up: he lost to 3 tough guys.


He's a legend.

[C.Y.]

thank you, and as i've mentioned above
he loses always to same types of fighters
he isn't that great if he can't even adapt
to fighters that give him too much speed or reflex

i think being hella old kinda has something to do with that.. Bhop has made many adjustments thru his career in many different fights.. for the record, i think bhop beat jermain the 1st fight and had a draw in the 2nd fight, and i think he beat calzaghe.. there has been no fighter besides Roy Jones and Clinton Mitchell that beat Hopkins decisively.. and those were not dominant peformances.. Bhop is a legend

[djtmal]

Bernard has got (a every fighter, including SRR) his strenghts and weakness. Of course he loves fighters as Tito or Pavlik, he can handle them without big problems.

But just look at his loses: he lost to a young one-handed Jones: i truly believe this is Jones greatest win... but remember that bernard gave Jones much more problems then McCallum or Toney did to Roy. He lost to Taylor, but Taylor was a younger skill, big and talented middleweight.. he lost himself after those 2 fights. He will be a big thing in SW: it's not a shame losing 2 fights against someone talented like him (at 40 years old).

He lost to Calzaghe at 43... but he gave Joe lot of problems. A lot. It has been the most difficult fight (included the Reid fight) for Joe. Period.

Summin' up: he lost to 3 tough guys.


He's a legend.

See I disagree. I believe Jones pretty much shut Hopkins out. He didn't beat him up, Hopkins is a tough cat, but he pretty much shut him out on the scorecards and outlanded on him without getting hit much. I thought Griffin in the first fight gave Jones far more problems then Hopkins did.

He had the option of fighting Winky Wright or Taylor, and chose to fight Taylor, who was way greener than Wright. Quite sure probably felt Taylor was an easier win than Wright at 160, but he wound up losing back to back fights. For the record I thought he lost both fights. Lost to Calzaghe too. Only reason they were tough, close fights for Joe and Jermain is because hopkins still has good defense and is especially good at making fights ugly and hard to score without landing combinations.

I don't mind when people say hopkins is a legend, just keep it in perspective. Lol

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See I disagree. I believe Jones pretty much shut Hopkins out. He didn't beat him up, Hopkins is a tough cat, but he pretty much shut him out on the scorecards and outlanded on him without getting hit much. I thought Griffin in the first fight gave Jones far more problems then Hopkins did.

He had the option of fighting Winky Wright or Taylor, and chose to fight Taylor, who was way greener than Wright. Quite sure probably felt Taylor was an easier win than Wright at 160, but he wound up losing back to back fights. For the record I thought he lost both fights. Lost to Calzaghe too. Only reason they were tough, close fights for Joe and Jermain is because hopkins still has good defense and is especially good at making fights ugly and hard to score without landing combinations.

I don't mind when people say hopkins is a legend, just keep it in perspective. Lol

GREAT post...
but let's be serious...
perspective is calling hopkins what he is....GREAT
not LEGEND

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i think being hella old kinda has something to do with that.. Bhop has made many adjustments thru his career in many different fights.. for the record, i think bhop beat jermain the 1st fight and had a draw in the 2nd fight, and i think he beat calzaghe.. there has been no fighter besides Roy Jones and Clinton Mitchell that beat Hopkins decisively.. and those were not dominant peformances.. Bhop is a legend

yea but at age 44 he could beat pavlik easily....
age is such a *****....

quite frankly what you think does not matter
he lost to JERMAIN twice....and CALZAGHE 0-3

bhop is GREAT
not a legend