Does Erik Morales have higher quality wins then Trinidad?

[Fox McCloud]

Both of their Greatest Wins videos are in the thread I just posted.

[Fox McCloud]

Nevermind, I guess Trinidad's top 10 wins got taken away...

[Tha_Greatest]

I was thinking about it. Obviously Trinidad ruined Vargas's chin, but...

I think the real tragedy of Fernando Vargas is that he could not find a style that accented his strengths and minimized his weaknesses (like Jermain Taylor as well). He was too big and slow to be a super slick hit and don't be hit guy, but... he also was a bit too tentative to be a truly wreckless killer.

Even though he won very clearly in the Quartey fight, I still saw that he wasn't exactly thrilled with having to counterpunch.

He just couldn't seem to find what he needed in order to be truly great.

That said, Vargas is obviously a completely badass name to have on your resume, especially an undefeated Vargas.

after the vargas fight, trinidad was never the same fighter as well, if you think about it, vargas did more ,in a way, compared to trinidad, i mean he was more competitive than tito was in fights, maybe vargas ruined titos career aswell

[goblin]

after the vargas fight, trinidad was never the same fighter as well, if you think about it, vargas did more ,in a way, compared to trinidad, i mean he was more competitive than tito was in fights, maybe vargas ruined titos career aswell

i remember vargas was holding his damn own in that fight..the shots he took THROUGHOUT the fight was just crazy..and vargas just fought back and kept coming..he [vargas] REALLY wanted to beat delahoya..i wonder what wouldve happened if he did..

[Tha_Greatest]

i remember vargas was holding his damn own in that fight..the shots he took THROUGHOUT the fight was just crazy..and vargas just fought back and kept coming..he [vargas] REALLY wanted to beat delahoya..i wonder what wouldve happened if he did..

vargas got hit in the nutsack like 20 times before the ref did a thing, probably trinidad had illegal handwrapping in that fight as well, if vargas beat trinidad the cheater and , he would probably be bigger than oscar de la hoya

[Steak]

maybe Im alone here, but I dont think Trinidad has as big of wins as Morales's wins over Barrera and Pacquiao...

then you take into account his wins over Junior Jones, Zaragoza, McCullough, Ayala, Jesus Chavez, InJin Chi, and then a bunch of other guys that Im forgetting...plus he should have gotten that win over David Diaz.

then again, Trinidad....was a special fighter. its hard to say.

[oldgringo]

Pretty close call here.

Erik's 10 best victories in my opinion:

Barrera
Pacquiao
Ayala
Jones
Zaragoza
McCullough
Kelley
Chavez
Chi
Espadas

Trinidad's 10 best victories:

Vargas
Oscar
Carr
Reid
Campas
Whitaker
Joppy
Mayorga
Camacho
Pendleton

I could get into this subject, but I gotta eat.

[Tha_Greatest]

maybe Im alone here, but I dont think Trinidad has as big of wins as Morales's wins over Barrera and Pacquiao...

then you take into account his wins over Junior Jones, Zaragoza, McCullough, Ayala, Jesus Chavez, InJin Chi, and then a bunch of other guys that Im forgetting...plus he should have gotten that win over David Diaz.

then again, Trinidad....was a special fighter. its hard to say.

he does,

Daniel Zaragosa
Junior Jones
Kevin Kelley
Wayne Mc Collough
Carlos Hernandes,
Guty Espadas
Pauly Ayala
In Jin Chi
Jesus Chaves
Marco Antonio Barrera
and he was the last fighter to beat Manny Pacquiao

[goblin]

maybe Im alone here, but I dont think Trinidad has as big of wins as Morales's wins over Barrera and Pacquiao...

then you take into account his wins over Junior Jones, Zaragoza, McCullough, Ayala, Jesus Chavez, InJin Chi, and then a bunch of other guys that Im forgetting...plus he should have gotten that win over David Diaz.

then again, Trinidad....was a special fighter. its hard to say.

see thats EXACTLY how i felt..its really funny that ALOT of todays boxing fans only seen morales fights against manny and barrera....i want EVERYBODY to watch between 30sec and 50sec of this video..this is HOW MUCH OF A BADASS morales was once when Mosley Corrales and Gomez were in their primes..its a prince naseem video but its to illustrate my point..LISTEN TO JIM LAMPLEY'S WORDS GUYS... here's the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Hbt2wpAu0

[oldgringo]

maybe Im alone here, but I dont think Trinidad has as big of wins as Morales's wins over Barrera and Pacquiao...

then you take into account his wins over Junior Jones, Zaragoza, McCullough, Ayala, Jesus Chavez, InJin Chi, and then a bunch of other guys that Im forgetting...plus he should have gotten that win over David Diaz.

then again, Trinidad....was a special fighter. its hard to say.

No I concur. I think Barrera is one of the 5 or so greatest 122 pounders of all-time...and you could argue him being a top 10-15 Featherweight as well. Pacquiao has done nothing but impress since his early blunders. These two are all-timers. You couldn't really say that about anyone Trinidad faced, outside of Oscar (and that's a TOUGH argument), who didn't allow the fans to see a true conclusion in that fight. Vargas was an excellent fighter when Trinidad defeated him, but certainly one cannot say he was any more dangerous than Pacquiao was when Erik defeated him.