Floyd is not an ATG

[Horus]

So what Horus is saying is that a Hatton win over Pac means nothing, since Pac has never fought at 140 before.

I am not saying that but that is the logic people used when they want to discredit floyd for beating Hatton...


They say Ricky Hatton Wasnt Impressive at Welterweight, so floyds over hatton isnt that good because he fought Hatton at welterweight.

But Ricky Hatton was a WBA welter Weight Champion am I wrong???

I didnt know you had to look impressive in winning a championship belt in order to be taken seriously as a champion...

I thought if you beat the champion for his belt then you are a champion???


By that Standard how many champions can we say are not real champions because they didnt look impressive when they won their belts???



They say Ricky Hatton is a Junior Welterweight because he fought most of his career there...

But Floyd has had 39 Fights in which 31 fights were at 135 and under.
Only 8 Fights were at 140 and up.

Ricky Hatton had more fights at 140 AND UP then Floyd did...


Both Floyd and Ricky Hatton were Welter Weight Champions.
Floyd started at 130
Ricky Started at 140

According to them Floyd and Ricky Hatton never fought any good welterweight champions.

So that leads to the Conclusion that Floyd's Run at Welterweight just like Ricky Hatton's wasnt impressive....Because they never fought anybody....


So If Floyd wasnt a impressive welterweight champion because he never fought any good welterweights....

What does a Floyd win at welterweight mean if he wasnt impressive at welterweight???

Then a win over Williams should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
Then a win over Cotto should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
Then a win over Margarito should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
Then a win over Mosely should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
Then a win over Clottey should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
Then a win over Berto should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.

Because they are all career welterweights and resumes more impressive then
Floyds at Welterweight.


Why would someone fight floyd at welterweight if he was a mediocre Welterweight according to some of you guys...??

Why not fight Floyd at 135? <<< he was the man in this division
Why not fight Floyd at 130? <<< he was the man in this division
Why not fight Floyd at 140? <<< he was ducked in this division

Why fight Floyd at welterweight if he was no good there???

Why not fight Clottey?

You see their logic?

[Jim Jeffries]

I wouldn't call Collazo a champion at WW, he SDd a paper champ in his first defense. Of course a Hatton win for Floyd means something at WW, just not as much as you think it does.

[Horus]

I wouldn't call Collazo a champion at WW, he SDd a paper champ in his first defense. Of course a Hatton win for Floyd means something at WW, just not as much as you think it does.

Do u understand what I am trying to tell you..?

The logic is If Floyd wasn't a impressive welterweight champion because he never fought any good welterweights....

What does a Floyd win at welterweight mean if he wasnt impressive at welterweight???

Then a win over Williams should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
Then a win over Cotto should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
Then a win over Margarito should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
Then a win over Mosely should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
Then a win over Clottey should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
Then a win over Berto should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.

Because they are all career welterweights and resumes more impressive then
Floyds at Welterweight.


Why would someone fight floyd at welterweight if he was a mediocre Welterweight according to some of you guys...??

Why not fight Floyd at 135? <<< he was the man in this division
Why not fight Floyd at 130? <<< he was the man in this division
Why not fight Floyd at 140? <<< he was ducked in this division

Why fight Floyd at welterweight if he was no good there???

Why not fight Clottey?

You see their logic?


It would be like Pavlik going to 175 to fight FOR A LHW belt... But Not Fight the man Dawson, but somebody else...

[Jim Jeffries]

Hold up. Berto's WW resume is more impressive than Floyd's? No one's fighting Floyd at 130 or 135 because he couldn't make either of those weights without cutting off an arm. 140 at this stage is iffy, esp after more than a year layoff.

[Horus]

Hold up. Berto's WW resume is more impressive than Floyd's? No one's fighting Floyd at 130 or 135 because he couldn't make either of those weights without cutting off an arm. 140 at this stage is iffy, esp after more than a year layoff.

Do u understand what I am trying to tell you..?

To the Floyd critic's/Haters who say Floyd career at Welterweight was the worst ever.and isnt and wasnt better than Margarito, Cotto, Williams, Clottey, etc.

Then Why would someone fight floyd at welterweight if he was a mediocre Welterweight according to some of you guys...??

Why not Fight a career welterweight like Margarito, Cotto, Williams, Clottey, etc.

According to the logic.
a win over Williams should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
a win over Cotto should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
a win over Margarito should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
a win over Mosely should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
a win over Clottey should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.

Because they are all career welterweights and resumes more impressive then
Floyds at Welterweight.

Why not fight Floyd at 135? <<< he was the man in this division
Why not fight Floyd at 130? <<< he was the man in this division
Why not fight Floyd at 140? <<< he was ducked in this division

Why fight Floyd at welterweight if he was no good there???


Margarito walks around at 180+ pounds and he fights at Welterweight
Cotto walks around at 160+ pounds and he fights at Welterweight
Clottey walks around at 180+ pounds and he fights at Welterweight
Williams walks around at 170+ pounds and he fights at Welterweight
Hatton walks around at 180+ pounds and he fights at Jr. Welterweight

Floyd walks around at 150, and your telling me he cant fight at 130,135,, or 140.....

If Margarito, Cotto, Williams, Clottey, and Hatton can walk around at 20-40 pounds above there fighting weight and still fight at their divisions...
I think Floyd can do the same....

Do you think Floyd is the only fighter who cant lose weight to fight in a division he wants to fight in....???????

[Tha_Greatest]

what an idiot

yeah , floyd is a idiot, green k to you while ellerbe jerks off inside of floyds mouth

[MrFactor]

Do u understand what I am trying to tell you..?

To the Floyd critic's/Haters who say Floyd career at Welterweight was the worst ever.and isnt and wasnt better than Margarito, Cotto, Williams, Clottey, etc.

Then Why would someone fight floyd at welterweight if he was a mediocre Welterweight according to some of you guys...??

Why not Fight a career welterweight like Margarito, Cotto, Williams, Clottey, etc.

According to the logic.
a win over Williams should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
a win over Cotto should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
a win over Margarito should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
a win over Mosely should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
a win over Clottey should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.

Because they are all career welterweights and resumes more impressive then
Floyds at Welterweight.

Why not fight Floyd at 135? <<< he was the man in this division
Why not fight Floyd at 130? <<< he was the man in this division
Why not fight Floyd at 140? <<< he was ducked in this division

Why fight Floyd at welterweight if he was no good there???


Margarito walks around at 180+ pounds and he fights at Welterweight
Cotto walks around at 160+ pounds and he fights at Welterweight
Clottey walks around at 180+ pounds and he fights at Welterweight
Williams walks around at 170+ pounds and he fights at Welterweight
Hatton walks around at 180+ pounds and he fights at Jr. Welterweight

Floyd walks around at 150, and your telling me he cant fight at 130,135,, or 140.....

If Margarito, Cotto, Williams, Clottey, and Hatton can walk around at 20-40 pounds above there fighting weight and still fight at their divisions...
I think Floyd can do the same....

Do you think Floyd is the only fighter who cant lose weight to fight in a division he wants to fight in....???????

I get it now. The answer to your question is simple. Floyd's WW fights were all suspect at best. So, if Margarito/Williams/ClotteyCotto beat Floyd at WW, its not that impressive. they SHOULD beat him. trouble is... he and many fans concede those victories to Floyd. I remember the words about Margarito and how he'd be "easy work." Always easire said than done. My belief is, if it was "easy work," then he would have fought him. Thats what makes Mayweather and his fans so frustrating. He acts like a protected child talking **** from behind a thick glass.

I understand that everybody is enamored with may's skill set and all. At some point skill just cant overcome size. And I think that at least 3 of the big 4 WW's are too big for Floyd. i think he realizes that too. Cotto is not too big and it could have been a pretty good fight. I think the Cotto that fought Margarito KO's Floyd Mayweather at 147. But who cares anyway that wouldnt be impressive now would it???

[Bhopreign]

I get it now. The answer to your question is simple. Floyd's WW fights were all suspect at best. So, if Margarito/Williams/ClotteyCotto beat Floyd at WW, its not that impressive. they SHOULD beat him. trouble is... he and many fans concede those victories to Floyd. I remember the words about Margarito and how he'd be "easy work." Always easire said than done. My belief is, if it was "easy work," then he would have fought him. Thats what makes Mayweather and his fans so frustrating. He acts like a protected child talking **** from behind a thick glass.

I understand that everybody is enamored with may's skill set and all. At some point skill just cant overcome size. And I think that at least 3 of the big 4 WW's are too big for Floyd. i think he realizes that too. Cotto is not too big and it could have been a pretty good fight. I think the Cotto that fought Margarito KO's Floyd Mayweather at 147. But who cares anyway that wouldnt be impressive now would it???

Did you hear what you just said, why does it always have to be someone so much bigger in order for Floyd to lose? Guess we can all agree that with relatively the same sized opponent Floyd aint losing right? Its basically giving Floyd his just due props when people propose opponents who are way bigger, Merchant had the audacity to bring up Winky's name when Floyd knocked Ricky out, in other words its giving Floyd his props.

[hugh grant]

There are many boxers in history who have beaten better boxers than PBF, so he isnt an high echelon ATG.

His best win is over Hatton, and you cant be the best on the strenght of that win. I dont even consider his fight over DLH a win. It was barely a win at the end of the day. People did better than that against DLH when DLH was in his prime.

PBF needs PAC, Marge and cotton on his resume to strengthen his case.

[hammerhiem]

Why is Horus cut/pasting the same **** over and over..

If people don't agree the first time they aren't going to change their minds because you spam the same thing over and over...