Why Roy was better than Floyd

[wmute]

I think you guys are holding his beat downs at the end of a 20 year career against him to much. Remember for fifteen years Roy was unbeatable. I know some people know what I'm talking about, like Roy was a 30-1 and 40-1 betting favorite. Floyd doesn't get those odds. Floyd is lucky to see 8-1. Now Floyd is one of my favorite boxers, but without saying Roy is better than Floyd I will say this, Roy dominated fighters in the ring much more than floyd. Floyd had a total package defensively, but Roy had the total package offensively. Roy had every punch known to man, and then a few more. Roy could hit you with five punches as easy as floyd hits with one. Floyd has good power but Roy had a great knockout punch, enough to keep a heavy weight off of him.

I like the bold, I will quote you on that.

[MANGLER]

This argument is tired, but I agree Roy>PBF.

[boxasmash]

roy jones was light years ahead of mayweather. no offense to mayweather. they just cant be compared.

[Spacey1991]

to my knowledge he exacerbated or injured it more during the opening rounds though i could be wrong

He injured it in training... I remember watching a documentary on him called "The Soul of a Champion" and he said he was hitting the bag, and as it swung back at him he hit it and torn his "rotator cuff" as somebody said before... this is why he changed his stance to southpaw various times.

While Floyd was having all he could handle with Castillo, Roy was dominating Hall of famers Bernard Hopkins and James Toney.

As for the Castillo fight, it wasn't one sided in any ones favor... it was a very close and scrappy fight, though Floyd had to fight like that due to his injury. You can't really state that as a fact either because he rightfully gave Castillo a rematch and won decisively.

[Spacey1991]

Nah it was before, I saw an interview where he said it happened before the fight when he hit the heavy bag, but still fought. He said he got it looked at and they said it was a torn rotator cuff, video is on youtube somewhere.

Yup... as I said mate... 'Soul of a Champion', good documentary... don't you think? He said something like... people told him to pull out but he wasn't sure if he would get the opportunity again so he fought, something like that.

[Brandish]

BULL****......


Who is the pale monkey in your avatar? Why are his eyes all weird and down syndrome like? ****in ugly ass people...

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[deemo]

I think you guys are holding his beat downs at the end of a 20 year career against him to much. Remember for fifteen years Roy was unbeatable. I know some people know what I'm talking about, like Roy was a 30-1 and 40-1 betting favorite. Floyd doesn't get those odds. Floyd is lucky to see 8-1. Now Floyd is one of my favorite boxers, but without saying Roy is better than Floyd I will say this, Roy dominated fighters in the ring much more than floyd. Floyd had a total package defensively, but Roy had the total package offensively. Roy had every punch known to man, and then a few more. Roy could hit you with five punches as easy as floyd hits with one. Floyd has good power but Roy had a great knockout punch, enough to keep a heavy weight off of him.

yep i agree, also if floyd comes back he will be defeated it happens. people slow down and reflexes go and there is nothing we can do. if the great roy jones cant do anything about it no one can.

[wpink1]

considering he never beat the man, and *all* his belts were stripped from DM or from someone DM actually beat in the ring, he definitely wasnt. And I am definitely not the only one who thinks of it this way.

Would have Roy beaten DM? I surely think so. Was Roy the lineal champ? NO

Wmute you are factually correct, but you leave out that Roy faced at 175 13 title fights 12 of which he defended the #1 contenders. Dm never wanted to come over here, and roy never wanted to go over there. Roy also was the undisputed 175 pound champ. Floyd can never say that.

As far as pound per pound Roy was considred pound per pound the best fromo 94-03. Floy maybe half as long.

I respect them both, but IMO Roy simply did more in the rings, fought the best, Floyd ducked or avoided all the top welters, and kstyzu....

Roy in any era could be the best from 160-175. Floyd would have major challenges from 135-140 in most era's and he would not even be top 5 in many eras at welter. Can you imagine him up against leonard and hearns...or prime dlh and Trinidad. At least vs leoanrd and hearns he would get slaughtered at 147, anyone who thinks he has a chance to even win a round is smoking crack.. Vs dlh and trinidad he would fare better but not win, just not that great offensivly.

[wmute]

Wmute you are factually correct, but you leave out that Roy faced at 175 13 title fights 12 of which he defended the #1 contenders. Dm never wanted to come over here, and roy never wanted to go over there. Roy also was the undisputed 175 pound champ. Floyd can never say that.

As far as pound per pound Roy was considred pound per pound the best fromo 94-03. Floy maybe half as long.

I respect them both, but IMO Roy simply did more in the rings, fought the best, Floyd ducked or avoided all the top welters, and kstyzu....

Roy in any era could be the best from 160-175. Floyd would have major challenges from 135-140 in most era's and he would not even be top 5 in many eras at welter. Can you imagine him up against leonard and hearns...or prime dlh and Trinidad. At least vs leoanrd and hearns he would get slaughtered at 147, anyone who thinks he has a chance to even win a round is smoking crack.. Vs dlh and trinidad he would fare better but not win, just not that great offensivly.

On the DM part of your post, let me quote myself

"Would have Roy beaten DM? I surely think so. Was Roy the lineal champ? NO"

so you know where I stand.

To the second part... why did you leave out 130?

Mayweather would be top 5 in any of this 3 divisions 30-35-40. (that is 3 divisions, just like prime Roy) The only one where he would find fighters with solid chances -aka possible betting favorites. would be 35. Pea, Duran, B. Leonard, Gans.

Pryor at 40. but Pryor with all of his gifts (and skills!) was not a smart fighter and that is a no-no against Mayweather.

Arguello at 30. is the greatest 130 after or on par with Mayweather, but he does not have the gifts or the style to beat him -he would have the brain though. At 130 because of styles I see the biggest challenge being Saddler.

Mayweather did not duck Zoo in any way more than the other way around, they did not have the time to fight (and Zoo would have been past it). It is also clear as daylight to me that because of styles Zoo had nothing much for Mayweather, so I really don't see why some people, mostly Wiley Hyena, keep on talking about this.

And yes Mayweather did not actually fight much above 140. I agree. Roy did not do much above 175 either...

On Roy being the best at 175 in any era, I don't think so. at all. I think we talked about this before, but I don't see him besting Charles in a series of fights in any way, and I would put my money on Tunney and even more money in Spinks. 168 unlike 130 and 140 (which saw tons of good fighters) is a division with a very short history. I do think Roy at 160 would have been a nightmare for everyone including Robinson, Hagler, Greb and Monzon. In fact I would pick only Monzon and Greb over him because of styles and I would be very hesitant in doing so.

On Roy fighting the best... come on, wether it was his fault or not (and in my view, he mostly wasnt), Roy left a lot of ppl disappointed with his roster, for a reason. DM, Nunn, Eubank, Benn, Collins, McClellan... I would pick Roy against all of them, but those fights did not happen. I am not making the mistake many people made of calling Jones opponents bums. Beyond the obvious... Virgil Hill and Reggie Johnson were excellent fighters! Still the fights I mentioned would have been against the best.

On the length of pound for pound reigns. I don't put much weight but Roy's reign was interrupted by I think Tito and Shane (maybe Oscar too?), ludicrous yes, but that's a sign of who he was fighting at 175 in certain years. Mayweather got his deserved spot very late. Too late IMO when you consider the performances of Hopkins in the 3rd Allen fight, or against Eastman.

Well after all of this, I am going to add that I have no problem with rating Jones over Mayweather. Although I disagree -and note I disagree with the opposite assesment too- and I have points to pick on some of your motivations, I see your picture.

If you notice my previous posts in this thread. I am just pointing out some of the nonsense that has been put down -on both sides.

EDIT: In all the comparisons and picks I make, I am correcting the actual size of fighters for the differente weigh in rules, so for example for the purpose of the fantasy matchup I am consiedering Greb and Saddler a bit bigger than they actually were. (Since most modern fighters are bigger than people in their weight class 30 years ago)

[a-raines21]

roy jones was light years ahead of mayweather. no offense to mayweather. they just cant be compared.

i dont agree........ roy lost to antoino tarver yo...... tarver is sooo not on roys level, therfore had no business beating him.....floyd would never lose to a lesser opponent......

the two of them are the best boxer we've seen in the past 20 years