Is Hopkins is the best 160lbs fighter ever

[Dynamite Kid]

Hopkins couldn't beat Taylor, his first true young top talent in many years -probably since the Echols fights- and Taylor was just a bit too much.

How old was Hopkins by then ?

Do you think Hopkins could'nt get by Jermain Taylor in his prime ?

[Dynamite Kid]

Those Echols fights were also tough for him though and he had his best performance against Trinidad soon after.

He also had some very boring decision wins over fighters he could have probably knocked out if he had tried. Hagler rarely went the distance.

That is another reason why Hagler would not of beaten Hopkins, because Hopkins was not a crowd pleaser he would make it dirty and ruff (Joppy,Holmes,Allen,Eastman,Vanderpool,J D Jackson.

Hopkins priority was winning not entertaining along the way.

[ferocity]

How old was Hopkins by then ?

Do you think Hopkins could'nt get by Jermain Taylor in his prime ?

How young was Taylor?

The old excuse with Hopkins doesn't work much as he has success at lh.

[aljosa_raos]

Hopkins is in his prime now.Not 10 years ago when he fought Robert Allen who su cks.Hopkins su cks.He lost 2 times against Taylor and cried after that.
Winky Wright woop Hopkins ass and got robbed!Hopkins shouldnt be mentioned in history except his 20 winning streak in title fights.

[Dynamite Kid]

How young was Taylor?

The old excuse with Hopkins doesn't work much as he has success at lh.

It does work when you consider he won the Pavlik fight, because it was a slow pace and he lost the Calzaghe fight, because of his lack or workrate.

[ferocity]

It does work when you consider he won the Pavlik fight, because it was a slow pace and he lost the Taylor,Calzaghe fights, because of his lack or workrate.

Clearly you a hardcore Hopkin fan.

[TheGreatA]

That is another reason why Hagler would not of beaten Hopkins, because Hopkins was not a crowd pleaser he would make it dirty and ruff (Joppy,Holmes,Allen,Eastman,Vanderpool,J D Jackson.

Hopkins priority was winning not entertaining along the way.

Hagler wasn't exactly a crowd pleaser either, he became a more aggressive fighter because he thought that he would be robbed of the decision if he went the distance.

When someone wasn't in his class he went out there and proved it decisively by a knockout, for example against William Lee:

[Dynamite Kid]

Clearly you a hardcore Hopkin fan.

Not hardcore i just dont think people dont appreciate how good he is/was.

[TheGreatA]

Not hardcore i just dont think people dont appreciate how good he is/was.

I think people have started to appreciate him more because of his recent win over Pavlik.

Some of his fans that rank him very highly as a middleweight tend to forget though that despite his record of title defenses (mostly for the IBF title), his middleweight resume looks rather weak next to the other great middleweights.

Even former middleweight champions such as LaMotta, Zale, Tiger, Walker have beaten better names than Hopkins has at MW.

[Dynamite Kid]

Hagler wasn't exactly a crowd pleaser either, he became a more aggressive fighter because he thought that he would be robbed of the decision if he went the distance.

When someone wasn't in his class he went out there and proved it decisively by a knockout, for example against William Lee:

"When someone wasn't in his class he went out there and proved it decisively by a knockout "

That was nearly all the guys he fought, Hagler used to box then he used to open up and close the show when he saw a slight weakness in his opponents. Hagler beat the crap out of Obell in the first fight and he was standing their trading with Vito in the latter rounds of their first fight, he went after Minter for the opening bell, and he was beating on Hamsho and Roldan once he got to grips with them.

He knocked Obell flat on his back in the rematch with a right hook i think it was.