Is Hopkins is the best 160lbs fighter ever

[Dynamite Kid]

i would personally favour B-Hop against Halger too, but hypothetical match-ups aren't the only thing to take into consideration... "styles make fights" and all that

Well what are you saying ? because Obell,Hamsho,Vito,Sibson,Scypion,Roldan are not great fighters imo and he lost to Leonard and had trouble with blown up Duran.

Hagler's best win was against Hearns and a Roberto Duran whos career was effectively over after his loss to Benitez.

[Silencers]

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Do you mean Hagler.

Yeah, my mistake.

[TheGreatA]

You might criticize Hagler's resume but who did Hopkins beat at 160 that was worth anything except Tito Trinidad?

I would pick a lot of Hagler's opposition at MW, even those that are not very known to most of the fans today, to beat almost everyone Hopkins ever fought at middleweight.

[S.G.]

Well what are you saying ? because Obell,Hamsho,Vito,Sibson,Scypion,Roldan are not great fighters imo and he lost to Leonard and had trouble with blown up Duran.

Hagler's best win was against Hearns and a Roberto Duran whos career was effectively over after his loss to Benitez.

Hearns and even middleweight Duran are still ATG fighters

the rest of those gys you mentioned are good, solid, resume boosting wins among a few others he had

in hypothetical fights with say the 10 greatest middleweights, who do you think would win more, B-Hop or Hagler?

anyway, like i said, i can't seperate these two personally... but i don't think you could say Hopkins is clearly greater

[Dynamite Kid]

You might criticize Hagler's resume but who did Hopkins beat at 160 that was worth anything except Tito Trinidad?

I would pick a lot of Hagler's opposition at MW, even those that are not very known to most of the fans today, to beat almost everyone Hopkins ever fought at middleweight.

Yeah, but that is because old fighters oposition even get made out to be better than they are, because it makes the fighter in qestion(Hagler) seem even better than he was.

[Ishy Aytan]

How is Ray Robinson not in the top 2?

Anywho, i favour Hopkins against Hagler... But its difficult to predict these types of matches.

[Dynamite Kid]

Juan Roldan got KTFO by Hearns and he gave Hagler all he could handle untill his eye closed.

Terry Norris and Gerald McCellan tore John Mugabi a new one.

[S.G.]

How is Ray Robinson not in the top 2?

he was better at welterweight, and middleweight has had some great names throughout history

i don't think you could argue that he's higher than Monzon or Greb at middlewight

[Jim Jeffries]

Hopkins might be greater now because of what he's done above MW, but his MW credentials aren't by themselves. Head to head is debatable, but as far as greatest MWs go, Hopkins doesn't make it past Hagler or Monzon and would be lucky to be ranked above SRR or Greb imo.

[TheGreatA]

Yeah, but that is because old fighters oposition even get made out to be better than they are, because it makes the fighter in qestion(Hagler) seem even better than he was.

I don't see how his resume is made out to be better than it is.

Hearns, Duran, Hamsho, Mugabi, Minter, Antuofermo, Briscoe, Roldan, etc. were clearly a better bunch of middleweights than Trinidad, De La Hoya, Joppy, Holmes, Echols, Allen, Jackson...

Juan Roldan got KTFO by Hearns and he gave Hagler all he could handle untill his eye closed.

Not after rocking Hearns several times. Hearns had a bigger punch than Hagler, even at middleweight, which is why he was able to get rid of Roldan earlier.

Doesn't really matter since Hagler demolished Hearns in 3 rounds.

Terry Norris and Gerald McCellan tore John Mugabi a new one.

When Mugabi was shot. Coming into the Hagler fight Mugabi was undefeated with all of his wins coming by KO, a very highly rated fighter at the time.