Is Hopkins is the best 160lbs fighter ever

[Dynamite Kid]

Hagler. I see Hopkins fighting going backwards too much in this fight once Marvin goes in full on agressive mode, countering more than taking the lead.

He could'nt even pin Leonard down.

Hopkins is bigger than Leonard and can fight inside with Hagler.

Hagler might be good offensively inside, but Hopkins is better defensively on the inside.

Hopkins has all the answers for Hagler, trust me.

[TheGreatA]

Nobody had even heard of Obell when he faced Hagler.

Obelmejias was good enough to go on to win a super middleweight belt. It was a solid title defense for Hagler, no one is saying that those two wins define his resume.

Vito got beat by Minter who was not a great fighter imo, just right place right time, because Vito robbed Hagler.

Vito was a good middleweight with wins over middleweight champ Hugo Corro, Emile Griffith, LMW champ Denny Moyer, Hart, Briscoe and others. His first loss to Minter was a questionable decision.

Antuofermo's problem was that he cut very easily.

Roldan was a nobody untill he fought Hagler aswell.

Roldan KO'd top contender Frank Fletcher which is why he got the shot. He then went on to stop Kinchen who gave Hearns a lot of trouble and gave a good fight to Hearns.

Hamsho do me a favour, Hagler looked like SRL against this bum.

The bum was good enough to dominate and beat down Wilfred Benitez.

He also beat Bobby Czyz, Minter, Scypion, Watts who were all top MW contenders.

[Dynamite Kid]

Obelmejias was good enough to go on to win a super middleweight belt. It was a solid title defense for Hagler, no one is saying that those two wins define his resume.



Vito was a good middleweight with wins over middleweight champ Hugo Corro, Emile Griffith, LMW champ Denny Moyer, Hart, Briscoe and others. His first loss to Minter was a questionable decision.

Antuofermo's problem was that he cut very easily.



Roldan KO'd top contender Frank Fletcher which is why he got the shot. He then went on to stop Kinchen who gave Hearns a lot of trouble and gave a good fight to Hearns.



The bum was good enough to dominate and beat down Wilfred Benitez.

Glen Johnson was good enough to go on and win the LHW title touche


Vito was still not that good, Hopkins would punished him the way he fights.


Barkley gave KO'd Hearns and outboxed him, De Witt gave Hearns fitts too, so what dont make Roldan better than he is.

Benitez also lost to Davey Moore who the natural lightweight Duran hammered.

[TheGreatA]

Glen Johnson was good enough to go on and win the LHW title touche

Yes he was although he had a "couple" of losses along the way. But it was a good win for Hopkins and more importantly a great performance.

Obelmejias isn't even one of Hagler's top 15 wins anyway.

Vito was still not that good, Hopkins would punished him the way he fights.

Yes he probably would have, but I doubt he would've stopped Vito in 5 rounds like Hagler did in the rematch.

Barkley gave KO'd Hearns and outboxed him, De Witt gave Hearns fitts too, so what dont make Roldan better than he is.

I'm not saying this makes Roldan great but it shows that he was a good fighter who could be a troubling opponent because of how strong and awkward he was.

Again Roldan is just one of the many solid opponents that Hagler fought. Not one of his career-defining wins.

Benitez also lost to Davey Moore who the natural lightweight Duran hammered.

That was after Hamsho had beaten him and Benitez broke his ankle in that fight.

[Dynamite Kid]

Yes he was although he had a "couple" of losses along the way. But it was a good win for Hopkins and more importantly a great performance.

Obelmejias isn't even one of Hagler's top 15 wins anyway.



Yes he probably would have, but I doubt he would've stopped Vito in 5 rounds like Hagler did in the rematch.





I'm not saying this makes Roldan great but it shows that he was a good fighter who could be a troubling opponent because of how strong and awkward he was.

Again Roldan is just one of the many solid opponents that Hagler fought. Not one of his career-defining wins.



That was after Hamsho had beaten him and Benitez broke his ankle in that fight.

Hagler stopped Vito on an accidental head butt.


Fair play Machine you made a good argument for Hagler, but i just think Hopkins has too many tools for Hagler and whilst you may have a good point Hagler's wins at MW are more solid, i still think Hopkins is the better fighter allround allthough its close.

Both formidable at 160lbs i just think Hopkins is more saavy.

[TheGreatA]

Hopkins had his own struggles with average fighters as well:

[Dynamite Kid]

You know what i mean

He did'nt outbox him, but he kept him pinned on the ropes the entire fight, hurt him more than once and basically beat him up for 12 instead of knocking him out. Hearns could not keep the fight in the middle of the ring so he took a pounding

[Dynamite Kid]

Hopkins had his own struggles with average fighters as well:

That was a different Bernard Hopkins against Mercado he said himself his style changed completely after the Mercado fights.

Hagler was beat by a WW and struggled with a lightweight Duran. Hagler had trouble with Roldan,Mugabi too.

[ferocity]

Hopkins couldn't beat Taylor, his first true young top talent in many years -probably since the Echols fights- and Taylor was just a bit too much.

[TheGreatA]

That was a different Bernard Hopkins against Mercado he said himself his style changed completely after the Mercado fights.

Hagler was beat by a WW and struggled with a lightweight Duran. Hagler had trouble with Roldan,Mugabi too.

Those Echols fights were also tough for him though and he had his best performance against Trinidad soon after.

He also had some very boring decision wins over fighters he could have probably knocked out if he had tried. Hagler rarely went the distance.