Do you consider Juan Manuel Marquez a legend?

[S.G.]

20 years from now, no one's going to remember him fighting John. They're just going to see that he lost. I'm not passing any judgement on him getting robbed or not, I'm just saying that we can't talk coulda, shoulda, woulda, we're not Calzaghe fans are we?

but those people could be looked at as lacking in knowledge and hardly in any position to be dictating greatness

speak for yourself lol

[S.G.]

take away john and pacquiao, do you still have a base for his 'legend' claims?

that's like saying "take away Ruiz and Toney from Jones's resume and what are you left with"

he did what he did, and they are accomplishments that benefit his legacy

did he win any of them decisively in your opinion? just asking

Chris John was 100% a Marquez win, and i thought he should have been given the nod over Pacman the second time in a close-fought but clear decision... but i don't want to get into an argument about the Pacman decisions as it's the same thing every time and no one changes their opinions

[PoetryInMotion]

but those people could be looked at as lacking in knowledge and hardly in any position to be dictating greatness

speak for yourself lol

Good response. Same thing I was thinking.

[dans]

but those people could be looked at as lacking in knowledge and hardly in any position to be dictating greatness

speak for yourself lol

i agree, but it's still not enough to lose controversial fights. think about if they gave those decisions to marquez instead of pacman. I think people would have a harder time swallowing that. Plus if you want to talk coulda, woulda, shoulda, then Pacman shoulda won the first fight because the judge messed up the scorecard.

sorry didn't see that you were a Calzaghe fan. god i can't wait for him to retire and become forgotten.

[dans]

that's like saying "take away Ruiz and Toney from Jones's resume and what are you left with"

he did what he did, and they are accomplishments that benefit his legacy



Chris John was 100% a Marquez win, and i thought he should have been given the nod over Pacman the second time in a close-fought but clear decision... but i don't want to get into an argument about the Pacman decisions as it's the same thing every time and no one changes their opinions

no it's not like taking away Ruiz and Toney from Roy, those were decisive victories.

I respect your opinion.

[S.G.]

no it's not like taking away Ruiz and Toney from Roy, those were decisive victories.

but stop looking at it as win/loss for a second and think of them as accomplishments

obviously the Roy wins are bigger achievements due to the nature but it's the same thing with Marquez' performances against John and Pacman being disregarded, on a smaller scale

[boxasmash]

why yes, yes he is.

[dans]

but stop looking at it as win/loss for a second and think of them as accomplishments

obviously the Roy wins are bigger achievements due to the nature but it's the same thing with Marquez' performances against John and Pacman being disregarded, on a smaller scale

I don't disregard them at all, I'm just saying that if he's such a legend, he shouldn't consider two losses and a draw as his greatest accomplishments.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

that's like saying "take away Ruiz and Toney from Jones's resume and what are you left with"

he did what he did, and they are accomplishments that benefit his legacy

those arent 'woulda' 'shoulda' 'coulda' fights for roy...those are legit, indisputable wins...


and even if you did take those away, he still has hopkins,tarver,griffin,hill on the resume..along with a run of pure dominance...ie points B,C,and D to backup his legend claims

[Pullcounter]

those arent 'woulda' 'shoulda' 'coulda' fights for roy...those are legit, indisputable wins...


and even if you did take those away, he still has hopkins,tarver,griffin,hill on the resume..along with a run of pure dominance...ie points B,C,and D to backup his legend claims

marquez is a legend....




























who lost 2x to Pac.