Dana White Throws Verbal Jabs at Oscar De La Hoya

[THe TRiNiTY]

I've never seen him pad yet. There are times where he tries to shoehorn favorites into title positions, but he's failed time and again doing that. There are also times when a division or two is weak of talent and saying you're the #1 contender of that division is akin to saying you're the smartest ****** on the shortbus.

But I haven't seen him pad.

Trust me, I'd spit if there was padding, but I haven't seen it.

But, he's protecting his reputation and company/fighters. Is that any better?

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

Yes but you have any sources to come up with 2 million???

The 190k already included his win bonus and fight of the night bonus btw.

I said close to 2 mill.

I sorta figured it based off of what was revealed during the Couture lawsuit. For instence... *thinks off the top of my head* I think it was Couture/Liddell 2, I believe that Couture got a total of 800K for showing and like $3 per PPV if it hit a certain rate.

And I said before, I pulled how much Microsoft might be paying him out my butt.

It's cool if I'm wrong.

[mrpain81]

I said close to 2 mill.

I sorta figured it based off of what was revealed during the Couture lawsuit. For instence... *thinks off the top of my head* I think it was Couture/Liddell 2, I believe that Couture got a total of 800K for showing and like $3 per PPV if it hit a certain rate.

And I said before, I pulled how much Microsoft might be paying him out my butt.

It's cool if I'm wrong.

Your basing that off Rashad getting a cut from the PPV buys, only like 3 fighters have that contract and Rashad isn't one of them.

I know you love MMA and you get tired of boxing fans bashing it, but even you have to acknowledge that MMA fighters get ****ed big time when it comes to make their fair share of the pie.

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

But, he's protecting his reputation and company/fighters. Is that any better?

He's protecting the brand and no, he shouldn't be doing that. A lot of people think that's crap.

Don't get me wrong, I hate Dana as much as the next guy. I'm saying what he puts out on paper and what he gives are two different things. the money he puts down on paper is a way to confuse promotions like Elite on the true value of fights. Could he paying more? Yes he could. Especially the starters. Gym time is getting more expensive these days and what they're getting after taxes is just barely making it.

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

Your basing that off Rashad getting a cut from the PPV buys, only like 3 fighters have that contract and Rashad isn't one of them.

I know you love MMA and you get tired of boxing fans bashing it, but even you have to acknowledge that MMA fighters get ****ed big time when it comes to make their fair share of the pie.

I used that as an example. I don't think Rashad is getting a PPV cut, but I do think he's got a bit more in his show and win pots then what was let on.

I do think fighters are getting the shaft somewhat. While I think headliners are getting a bit of reasonable pay, I think they could at least step it up for the up and coming fighters and starter set fighters. At least enough to to train and live reasonably.

[Heru]

Are you even figuring in under table money and endorsements?

Never trust what info Dana puts out on pay, because it's going to be way more then you think.

And you know this, because apparently, you're under the table, licking White's balls.

Like you're doing on this forum.

Damn... Man you got

Dana is dead right. How often recently have we debated potential fights, and the reason they don't come off is because of networks, promotional companies, or not enough money in them? How many fights have had poor undercards and it's predictable it's to make later fights more do able, or better, financially?

Numerous of times, infact it's a majority of the time fights aren't coming off, there's poor undercards or shows. The funny thing is, Boxing is often doing this to make a bigger buck that night. But as MMA has shown, in the long run not doing that grows the sport and makes a bigger buck in the future. So boxing essentially ends up trying to make more money short term, but minimises it's audience and earnings in the future, thus overall.

Yeah he is right, but **** him, these comments shouldn't be commenting on boxing on a consistent basis. This should be coming from boxing writers, but we all know they wouldn't get their all important press passes. Actually, now that I think about it, **** that Dana keep the comments coming maybe you can pressure those greedy *******s to change the way they do business.

Yes but you have any sources to come up with 2 million???

The 190k already included his win bonus and fight of the night bonus btw.

He pretty much admitted to pulling it out of his ass after he said he was speculating.

[Juggernaut]

And promoters interacting and bargaining with those networks creates a degree of parity, something which doesn't exist in the UFC since they are one and the same entity.

You may need to acquaint yourself with several of the ridiculous reasons for which fighters have been cut in the past. In regards to salary, you missed my point entirely. In boxing there are plenty of "middle ground" champions, not stars but not unknown who pull in six-figure fight purposes of varying degrees. This type of fighters basically does not exist in the UFC. Many fan favorites can scarcely pay for their camps with their fight purses. Simple fact: virtually all UFC fighters make far and away the bulk of their livelihood from sponsors, and all such sponsors have to be personally approved by the UFC (leading to the extreme repetition and lack of variety). No UFC, no sponsors, no earning a living through fighting. The UFC holds all the cards regardless of how one performs in the ring, and dominate salary negotiations even for the marquee names. Only Couture and Liddell (perhaps Lesnar now) ever managed to partially break this pattern, and even Couture sparked a huge lawsuit with the organization largely weak fight purse conditions in his contract in proportion to his drawing power.

This is one of the reasons why top talent flocked to Pride FC, the fight purses were always proportionate to a fighter's status.

End of thread right There. Great post.

Which reminds me of the contract offer to Fedor from the UFC in which states that Fedor cannot leave his contract undefeated, and if he does get beat, the UFC has the right to tear up his contract. While under contract, Fedor can't do any sponsorships or fights in competition outside of the UFC without the UFC's consent.

[MOREBASS]

Yeah he is right, but **** him, these comments shouldn't be commenting on boxing on a consistent basis.

Actually, now that I think about it, **** that Dana keep the comments coming maybe you can pressure those greedy *******s to change the way they do business.

These comments shouldn't be commenting on boxing on a consistent basis ?


But guess what ? Its not Dana's comments that is evoking change in the way boxing promoters are seeing things. Its the results of his business decisions !

[Savino]

100% right from Dana. I come on here after a big fight is over and everyone slates the undercards. Dana, I clap you

[Heru]

These comments shouldn't be commenting on boxing on a consistent basis ?


But guess what ? Its not Dana's comments that is evoking change in the way boxing promoters are seeing things. Its the results of his business decisions !

It's a typo homie. It was supposed to say "he shouldn't be commenting on..."

Edit: I agree on the second part, but public criticism can evoke change and it speeds things up. Do not underestimate the power of the spoken word, especially when it's circulating on the net for fans to see. I've seen numerous boxing writers write pieces voicing concerns and their voices being heard (like when there was supposed to be like 3 pay per views in a month this fall and it somehow got changed).