better boxer and defense, pbf or bhop?

[MANGLER]

PBF commits more time to offense than Hop does, but I'd call Hop better defensively. He doesn't get hit cleanly as much as PBF, which says a lot. But PBF is faster and uses his feet better, tho that ain't a knock on Hop since he don't really need to use footwork much.

[!! Shawn]

Segundo Mercado.

His defense was not nearly as good when he was 30 as compared to when he was 34 or 35, not to say his defense was bad but it wasn't on the same level as his own a few years later or Mayweather's at 30.

Hopkins was 31 for the Johnson fight.

Just watched the Mercado fights. You are right that his defense was not as well developed. I am not sure if it was not developed, or he just wanted to be tough because he did show that elusiveness at points.

Either way, Hopkins was fully developed as a fighter by the Johnson fight.

[dde91]

PBF commits more time to offense than Hop does, but I'd call Hop better defensively. He doesn't get hit cleanly as much as PBF, which says a lot. But PBF is faster and uses his feet better, tho that ain't a knock on Hop since he don't really need to use footwork much.

a 30 year old hopkins had WAY more offense then Floyd, and a mid 30 year old Hop is way more a COMPLETE fighter then Floyd would ever be.

[Silencers]

Hopkins was 31 for the Johnson fight.

Just watched the Mercado fights. You are right that his defense was not as well developed. I am not sure if it was not developed, or he just wanted to be tough because he did show that elusiveness at points.

Either way, Hopkins was fully developed as a fighter by the Johnson fight.

The Johnson fight wasn't a defensive fight from Hopkins, it was a very good performance all around but it really didn't showcase his defense and Johnson was not the fighter he is now back then.

As Bouie Fisher said, Hopkins was a work in progress, his defense was not as good when he was 30 as compared to his defense when he was about 34-5. And he was 32 when he fought Johnson.

You see glimpses of what his defense will become in the Johnson fight, the Jackson fight etc. It really didn't become what it is now until probably the first Echols fight.

[dde91]

The Johnson fight wasn't a defensive fight from Hopkins, it was a very good performance all around but it really didn't showcase his defense and Johnson was not the fighter he is now back then.

As Bouie Fisher said, Hopkins was a work in progress, his defense was not as good when he was 30 as compared to his defense when he was about 34-5. And he was 32 when he fought Johnson.

When he fought Johnson, Johnson was in his physical prime. Hopkins tortured Johnson badly. Johnson wasn't the same fighter after that, having a journey man career til Jones.
And Johnson was undefeated.

[Silencers]

When he fought Johnson, Johnson was in his physical prime. Hopkins tortured Johnson badly. Johnson wasn't the same fighter after that, having a journey man career til Jones.
And Johnson was undefeated.

Compare Johnson as fighter back then and as a fighter now, it's 2 different fighters, he's a much better all around fighter now.

[nujabes77]

Mayweather, and easily. In fact I am prepared to argue that Mayweather is in the top 3 greatest defensive fighters that has ever laced them up.

Just how good is Mayweather defensively?

"Those who argue that Mayweather is boxing’s best all-around fighter point to his dominance over his opposition. Few fighters have ever been as statistically superior to his opponents than Mayweather, who rarely loses rounds, much less fights. A recent CompuBox analysis determined that the “Pretty Boy” leads the sport in “plus-minus” rating – and not by a little. The “plus-minus” is the difference between a fighter’s average connect percentage and that of his opponents, and Mayweather’s plus-30 (46 percent to 16 percent)"

"Mayweather’s rating compares favorably to the prime Roy Jones (plus-23) and Pernell Whitaker (plus-16). For the record, Hatton’s rating is a plus-five (34 percent to 29 percent), which is tied for 16th with Jones, Bernard Hopkins, Joe Calzaghe and Juan Manuel Marquez."

http://www.compuboxonline.com/analys...her-hatton.php

it depends on the quality of your opposition...

[Dambala]

I think it's Floyd, he doesn't need to hold like B-Hop, and his defense always set him for a counter attack.

[dde91]

Compare Johnson as fighter back then and as a fighter now, it's 2 different fighters, he's a much better all around fighter now.

True, but he was still hungry back then because of that undefeated record. Hopkins changed him.

[Silencers]

True, but he was still hungry back then because of that undefeated record. Hopkins changed him.

Changed him for the better maybe, Johnson learned a lot from that fight and became a better fighter over the years because of it.