'Weight Drained' and 'Past Prime'

[Stab Judah]

It's like I was saying here about people using the term "shot" whenever it suits them.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=229593

Yeah that's one of the most annoying things you see on boxing boards.
That and if a guy lost few big fights he's a 'bum'.

[Abstraction]

Hopkins is still a good boxer, but he was way way passed his prime at 43. If you think otherwise, you seriously have some intelligence issues.

At 43, you are often phyically as strong as say between 20-30.

A Loss is treated pretty harshly by most "Fans". Many only taka fighter once they lose, since that's when the guy shows his true colours.

I rather see the boxer lose, than to duck and dodge fighters like and treat a loss like a bullet.

[KILLA RIGHT]

Dumb thread then i guess Rocky beat joe louis so u ppl need to stop saying rocky never beat anyone great right?

[Abstraction]

Dumb thread then i guess Rocky beat joe louis so u ppl need to stop saying rocky never beat anyone great right?

Exactly.

Never new how many simpletons there were on this website.

Boxing is an individual and Physical "sport".

If you are old, you have a disadvatange. If you are struggling to make the weight, you have a disadvantage.

Fact. This is not Snooker or something where you can get away with these kinds of things

[MOREBASS]

Dumb thread then i guess Rocky beat joe louis so u ppl need to stop saying rocky never beat anyone great right?

See the post below. And if it was such a dumb thread, why didn't you just use your browser's magic back button ?

Lame.

Exactly.

Never new how many simpletons there were on this website.

Boxing is an individual and Physical "sport".

If you are old, you have a disadvatange. If you are struggling to make the weight, you have a disadvantage.

Fact. This is not Snooker or something where you can get away with these kinds of things

You seem to be one of these 'simpletons' you speak of yourself.

Old age, sure can have its disadvantages, but usually an older fighter is a more experienced one.

Someone struggling to make weight is usually going to be the naturally bigger fighter, if he can make weight, then he's got the definite advantage.


You seemed to have missed the entire point of the thread.

It seems as if every loss for (your favorite fighter's name here) is justified by either him being too weight drained, or past his prime.


There are always going to be coincidentals with every fighter, in every fight. People need to just man up and take their losses graciously.

[-Hyperion-]

thats right, no excuses:

hector camacho>ray leonard

midgeon singsurat>manny pacquiao

victor lozoya>antonio margarito


TRUE STORY

[Benny Leonard]

This thread reminds me of this:

You can watch the whole thing or just listen to 1:08


Boxers are simple people, except for Larry

[-Hyperion-]

this thread reminds me of this:

You can watch the whole thing or just listen to 1:08


boxers are simple people, except for larry

lmao..................

[MOREBASS]

thats right, no excuses:

hector camacho>ray leonard

midgeon singsurat>manny pacquiao

victor lozoya>antonio margarito


TRUE STORY

Another clueless moron. Re-read the thread and try to comprehend it in your 18 year old golf ball sized brain.

Does a loss to a fighter equal automatic inferiority ?


Fighters, like any other athlete, have bad days. They win, and they lose.

When two fighters fight, they are not fighting to see who the better fighter is for life, they are fighting to figure out the best on the night of the fight.

[Benny Leonard]

Another clueless moron. Re-read the thread and try to comprehend it in your 18 year old golf ball sized brain.

Does a loss to a fighter equal automatic inferiority ?


Fighters, like any other athlete, have bad days. They win, and they lose.

When two fighters fight, they are not fighting to see who the better fighter is for life, they are fighting to figure out the best on the night of the fight.

This is true.

I understand the thread; I think.

At the end of the day, after the investigation, if everything is cleared as "OK," then it's a matter of just saying, "Fighter A lost to "Fighter B" because he was the better boxer.

There is an interesting story in all this. Foreman said he thought that Frazier was ready to be taken based on what he saw in the Ali vs. Frazier fight. He said Frazier shook his head on Ali's chest towards the end of the fight and he {George} knew right then and there that Frazier just past his peak because Joe accomplished what he set out to do: Beat the Butterfly. After that I guess, it was all gravy.

Now, we can say Frazier was no longer at his peak Mentally, which can have its affect physically on the person when they train, but how many would say it would have mattered in this case going up against George?
Maybe it would have, but I wouldn't have favored it.

Then you have a case like Tyson vs. Douglas. Tyson's peak is said to have ended with Spinks. Even though he was mentally ****ed up for a while, he was still able to stay motivated to finish off what he was set out to do: to leave no question that he was the unified HW Champion. After that, he fell apart by making the wrong choices and not being motivated any longer. Of course, he didn't finish the entire goal set for him, but...whatever.
Tyson vs. Douglas: Tyson used no excuses afterwards other than what King was trying to pull, but with all the talk, rumors, and inside information that was leaking before and after, would everybody agree that that was the best Tyson we have seen? Was Douglas really just the better fighter? For that night he was.

It would have been interesting to have seen the rematch even if Tyson didn't get back with Rooney. Tyson seemed at least re-motivated to a degree to regain the title.
Then, look at what happened to Douglas right after he lost his motivation. He showed up out of shape against Holyfield.