Evander Holyfield Robbed Blind in Switzerland Disgrace

[Flawless.]

To me that's just further proof that this is no robbery. For sure there have been worse decisions like Spinks-Holmes II or Whitaker-Chavez. Save the robbery cries for those kind of fights and just say that the decision at hand was controversial.

Save it for those fights??

Holyfield was about to make history

[crold1]

To me that's just further proof that this is no robbery. For sure there have been worse decisions like Spinks-Holmes II or Whitaker-Chavez. Save the robbery cries for those kind of fights and just say that the decision at hand was controversial.

Or proof that Rogers was just having an off day for a guy who is a soccer writer first. Gerbasi at Max; Rafael at ESPN...the list goes on. Most everyone saw this fight for what it was. One judge had Valuev winning eight rounds which is absolutely ridiculous; so was a judge with seven. Holy won at least five of the first six (I had a sweep) and at least 2-3 of the last six. A robbery is a robbery.

[Testdead]

Re watching it the dec was not that bad i had Holy 115-113. Sauerland belong in the US and need to stop besmerching European boxing which unlike US boxing has yet to be bought.

[Fulcrum29]

I watched the fight with the commentary off.

Maybe that is why I have a different perspective?

I admit it was a **** fight with a very scared Holyfiled running away from Valuev the whole fight.

I think the reason most of the euro-haters in here think Valuev sucks is because he scares the **** out of just about everyone he fights. So his opponents run away... and 300+ pound guys just don't run as fast. So yeah I guess it makes for a boring fight.

Fact is that you gotta have balls if you are going to win against Valuev.
Chagaev has balls of brass, thats why he can do it.

Punches that landed?

THAT WAS VALUEV!
THAT IS WHY HE WON!

Get over it babies!

The reason idiots in here think Evander landed so many shots is because the broadcast kept showing a replay in between rounds where Evander landed one of his few punches from different camera angles from the fuggin second round...

Sober up and watch the fight again and skip the damn Americanized replays, Valuev landed a few more times (check out the uppercuts). He also clearly rocked Evander in the 7th and 8th, Evander never once actually hurt Valuev!

Otherwise, I say the fight should go to the guy who wasn't the obvious *****.
WHICH WAS VALUEV!

Euro-haters may now resume whining.

I actually kinda agree with this. Oldyfield was running like a ***** the whole night. A fight is not just about punches landed or whatever it's also about aggression and ring generalship. Valuev was chasing Oldyfield all night that's probably why Valuev won. Maybe if Oldyfield actually showed some ****in desire to even box rather than run all night.

[BattlingNelson]

Or proof that Rogers was just having an off day for a guy who is a soccer writer first. Gerbasi at Max; Rafael at ESPN...the list goes on. Most everyone saw this fight for what it was. One judge had Valuev winning eight rounds which is absolutely ridiculous; so was a judge with seven. Holy won at least five of the first six (I had a sweep) and at least 2-3 of the last six. A robbery is a robbery.

I prefer the term controversy here. I dont think such harsh language as a robbery is appropriate for this decision.

You mention yank writers. How did the german papers score it?

[Flawless.]

I prefer the term controversy here. I dont think such harsh language as a robbery is appropriate for this decision.

You mention yank writers. How did the german papers score it?

Simple was this fight a robbery or not

[BattlingNelson]

Simple was this fight a robbery or not

Controversial yes. Robbery no. I disagree on the language needed to descibe the events thats all.

[Flawless.]

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http://twitter.com/celebitchy/status/1069641737

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/bryan_armen_graham/12/20/holyfield.valuev/

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http://www.15rounds.com/follow-value...d-live-122008/



How was it not a robbery BatTheMan

[Clegg]

I actually kinda agree with this. Oldyfield was running like a ***** the whole night. A fight is not just about punches landed or whatever it's also about aggression...

No.

You don't give a guy the round just because he was aggressive, he has to actually DO something.

Besides, it's usually said that judges in America (particularly in Vegas) are more likely to score close rounds to the aggressor, whereas judges in Europe are more likely to place importance upon defense and technique.

That was the argument used when Ottke was given the decision in several close fights, even when it seemed as if his opponent had done more, thrown more and come forward more. The idea that the judges scored rounds for Valuev based upon his ineffective, virtually non-existent 'aggression' runs contrary to the arguments made in order to explain many of the questionable European scorecards of the past.

[Sutekh uvdabrix]

How was holy fighting like a *****?

I guess you should just go toe to toe with someone a foot taller and 100 pounds heavier..thats what a tought guy would do..he also would be a dead tough guy