Klits are overrated, here is my take...

[bsrizpac]

Well, he makes some good points, but Naps is basically pointing out the obvious. The Klits are the best of a very bad bunch. Heavyweight dominance in this watered down era means very little.

Personally I see Vitali as the far superior fighter who could contend in any era, but his greatness is in question because he has no opposition to really push him. Wladdy on the other hand looks like the kind of guy who would get crushed in a better era of heavyweights. The guy couldn't go 6 rounds with some of the best contenders of the 90's IMO.

So wait, I mean i'm not saying they are ATG or anything but you're punishing them for the era they are in? Guess Marciano, Tyson, and Holmes were trash too.

You're saying Wlad would lose to Tommy Morrison and guys like David Izon, Bruce Seldon, Frank Bruno Herbie Hide etc? I mean you exaggerate a little bit don't you?

[Kastrioti]

Ok, I made this post in another thread, but thought it was worth a thread.

The Klits are a hypedob, a PR machine. They might me really good, but we have no evidence of that yet.

I'm genuinely do not understand all the Klit praise.

Wlad.

Has never fought anyone decent EVER. He has been beaten by some terrible fighters, and 10 years ago he wouldn't even be a top 5 heavy.

Most recent evidence: Embarrasing display towards the end of the 3rd round against Rahman.

Vitali

Only fought one decent fighter ever. A shot Lewis, and he still got TKO'd.

Neither of these guys have doen ANYTHING to back up the praise they get. Big deal, they dominate the Heavies right now. One of my mates who is TERRIBLE and fat is ranked in the top 50 heavies, and I reckon I could beat him even!!

Most recent evidence: Won a world title.........of one of the worst Champions (any weight) in history.

The division is wank, and the Klits have NOTHING on their resumes.

Hypejob Klits, only get coverage cos they are tall, white, European, and brothers. It's the quirkiness factor which makes them stars. Someone tell me who either of them have beat that justifies their reputation...
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You know, if you actually saw them fight, and looked at how they're fighting and try to get into what they're trying to do in the fight, you would see that they are anything but hypejobs, and that they are some of the smartest fighters in the ring, doesn't matter how bad a division is, for the past 3 years Wlad has barely lost any rounds, that's something, but then again you're gonna tell me you do just so you can prove me wrong.

[Welter_Skelter]

Thanks for debating the topic content.

Hypocracy in the purest of form.

Like I said.. what's to debate??.. you have already made up your mind..

You are asking me to disprove your opinion.. So I say.. well they beat this guy and that guy.. Then you find a million reasons why those aren't really worthy opponents (unless of course if they had won.. then they would be ATGs ) and round and round we go.. I have played this game before..

SO whats to debate??

[Brute Allmighty]

I'm not gona defend the point with a personal attack. But I don't see how any one could say they've done nothing. Look at there records that should say enough. The losses where avenged except for Lewis and imo he was lucky for the fight to be stopped by the cut. Vitali was well on his way to a win. In his prime imo would take Lewis in his prime any day. again JMO. So to say Klit's are no good go back in recent history who was the greatest. HW V klit is my top pick. He is quick has ko power boxing skill he's a technician in the sport. You put some one in front of him and he will fight him. And he is the sole reason imo for the retirement of lewis. And had that fight not taken place between the two and exposed Lewis's weekness's and over rated abilitys would you have considered him a washed up fighter. pointed at naps post not yours bsrizpac

[sparked_85]

I think they are both unlucky that neither had a name that could go up in lights and get people interested in apart from Lewis.

Sucks for Wlad, he has had no one. Unless Arreola becomes even more popular.

[Kastrioti]

I think they are both unlucky that neither had a name that good go up in lights and get people interested in apart from Lewis.

Sucks for Wlad, he has had no one. Unless Arreola becomes even more popular.

Not Arreola, that guy is not champion material, exciting, but if he fights any of the champions now he loses. If Haye was to beat some top fighter, and if either bro was to beat Haye convincingly, that would be something.

[boxing_great]

vitali has no technique whatsoevever! ffs, he was a former kick boxer...
that says it all.its like an MMA guy saying he has good boxing skills...

[Naps]

Like I said.. what's to debate??.. you have already made up your mind..

You are asking me to disprove your opinion.. So I say.. well they beat this guy and that guy.. Then you find a million reasons why those aren't really worthy opponents (unless of course if they had won.. then they would be ATGs ) and round and round we go.. I have played this game before..

SO whats to debate??

Thats called a debate/discussion/conversation.

I made claims, and backed them up with reason and OPINION.

You have chosen to avoid my points, fair enough, thats your choice.

[Naps]

You're saying Wlad would lose to Tommy Morrison and guys like David Izon, Bruce Seldon, Frank Bruno Herbie Hide etc? I mean you exaggerate a little bit don't you?

What are you talking about?

[J.R.]

So wait, I mean i'm not saying they are ATG or anything but you're punishing them for the era they are in? Guess Marciano, Tyson, and Holmes were trash too.

You're saying Wlad would lose to Tommy Morrison and guys like David Izon, Bruce Seldon, Frank Bruno Herbie Hide etc? I mean you exaggerate a little bit don't you?

I didn't say they were trash because of their era, don't put words into my mouth. All I'm saying is that it's very hard to find and establish greatness in a weak heavyweight era. You either have to dominate it for a very long time like Holmes did, or you have to impress people by thrashing through the division like Tyson did.

And I also said that Wlad couldn't go 6 rounds with some, not all of the contenders of the 90's which was a much better era. But Wlad's chin has been proven to be crap so any good puncher such as Tommy Morrison, etc., has a chance of taking him out early. Not only because of his bad chin, but because of the way he panicks when he gets decked. A man like that is very vulnerable to the KO against any decent contender. Problem is that there aren't any decent contenders in this era so even a highly flawed fighter like Wladdy can rule all.