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    #31
    Originally posted by Clegg

    First of all, Calzaghe is a natural 168lb guy, Chad is 175. A big difference? No, but certainly worth mentioning if you're trying so hard to assert otherwise. Secondly, Mayweather didn't fight everybody at his 'natural weight'. Thirdly, doing well at 130 doesn't give him a free pass for the rest of his career.
    Who did Mayweather not fight at his natural weight? Save your breath if you are going to say kostya.

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      #32
      Originally posted by checkmania
      Who did Mayweather not fight at his natural weight? Save your breath if you are going to say kostya.
      The Ring ratings for 130

      1998:

      1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
      2. Takanori Hatakeyama
      3. Roberto Garcia
      4. Angel Manfredy
      5. Yong Soo Choi
      6. Genaro Hernandez
      7. Jesus Chavez
      8. Goyo Vargas
      9. Anatoly Alexandrov
      10. Arnulfo Castillo

      1999:

      1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
      2. Diego Corrales
      3. Jong-Kwon Baek
      4. Roberto Garcia
      5. Lakva Sim
      6. Yong Soo Choi
      7. Jesus Chavez
      8. Acelino Freitas
      9. Derrick Gainer
      10. Goyo Vargas

      2000:

      1. Diego Corrales
      2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
      3. Joel Casamayor
      4. Acelino Freitas
      5. Steve Forbes
      6. Jong-Kwon Baek
      7. Lakva Sim
      8. Jesus Chavez
      9. Yong Soo Choi
      10. Roberto Garcia

      2001:

      1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
      2. Joel Casamayor
      3. Acelino Freitas
      4. Jesus Chavez
      5. Steve Forbes
      6. Jong-Kwon Baek
      7. Lakva Sim
      8. Phillip N'dou
      9. John Brown
      10. Alejandro Gonzalez
      Is this impressive? Yes, very. But he didn't beat everyone, because he didn't ever face any of the other champions, two of which (Freitas and Casamayor) were very good fighters. Casa would've been one of his best wins if he'd won.

      Edited to add: I'm not suggesting that he ducked those guys.
      Last edited by Clegg; 12-14-2008, 11:25 AM.

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        #33
        I doubt he becomes a big star. That cornrowhas the personality of a tampon

        plus Glencoffe whooped his ass and he's chinny

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          #34
          I don't know why this is re surfacing. Calzaghe now is past prime. Dawson is in his prime now, and for another year or so. He's showing no signs of having anywhere near the level of skills in clever offense, persistent speedy combinations at angles, solid chin, adapting to suite, and ring intelligence.

          I wish Dawson well and he probably is the best other LHW out there now bar Hopkins (whom also beats him now imo, what does that say that two past prime guys beat him). But him being in prime and still favoured to lose against a past prime Calzaghe now, says it all. Sorry, he loses that fight on points, and would if it happened in the next year.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Clegg
            The Ring ratings for 130



            Is this impressive? Yes, very. But he didn't beat everyone, because he didn't ever face any of the other champions, two of which (Freitas and Casamayor) were very good fighters. Casa would've been one of his best wins if he'd won.

            Edited to add: I'm not suggesting that he ducked those guys.
            True. I do remember Floyd sitting ringside for Casamayor-Freitas and calling Freitas out right after the fight. Even said he'd fight in Brazil. Freitas wisely stayed away from that. I wonder why Floyd didn't fight Casamayor but like you, certainly wasn't a ducking.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Tony628


              the guy getting beat up is chad dawson
              Yes. He had to wear shades in the post-fight interview.

              That wasn't just to look cool.

              Nice work, Glen. Shame you were robbed by the money men.



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                #37
                Originally posted by KrisSilver
                I don't know why this is re surfacing. Calzaghe now is past prime. Dawson is in his prime now, and for another year or so. He's showing no signs of having anywhere near the level of skills in clever offense, persistent speedy combinations at angles, solid chin, adapting to suite, and ring intelligence.

                I wish Dawson well and he probably is the best other LHW out there now bar Hopkins (whom also beats him now imo, what does that say that two past prime guys beat him). But him being in prime and still favoured to lose against a past prime Calzaghe now, says it all. Sorry, he loses that fight on points, and would if it happened in the next year.
                Oh....right. So we're now going down the route of discrediting Dawson based on the fact that the experts who post on BoxingScene think (a past prime) Calzaghe would beat him?

                If we're going to go down that route, what does it say that people favoured a shot, damaged RJJ to beat Calzaghe?

                "I don't know why this is re surfacing"

                Right...it makes no sense to discuss a possible fight between the two best fighters in a weigh class?

                "He's showing no signs of having anywhere near the level of skills in clever offense, persistent speedy combinations at angles, solid chin, adapting to suite, and ring intelligence"

                Have you even see Dawson fight, FFS? Or do you consider Calzaghe the second coming of SRL?

                If Calzaghe takes this easy like you think, surely he should take the fight and cement his legacy? Why do you NOT want to see this fight?

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Jupiter Maximus
                  I doubt he becomes a big star. That cornrowhas the personality of a tampon

                  plus Glencoffe whooped his ass and he's chinny
                  Ouch! Brutal.





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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Keyser Soze
                    If Calzaghe takes this easy like you think, surely he should take the fight and cement his legacy? Why do you NOT want to see this fight?
                    It's not that we don't want to see it. Any real boxing fan does. What annoys us is people saying he's ducking Dawson, or afraid of him, or how he "has to fight him otherwise he can't be considered anything but a bum".

                    Get this in your heads: Calzaghe is about to retire.

                    Seriously, post one more masterpiece, then **** off. That's what I say.



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                      #40
                      Originally posted by F•R•K•O
                      It's not that we don't want to see it. Any real boxing fan does. What annoys us is people saying he's ducking Dawson, or afraid of him, or how he "has to fight him otherwise he can't be considered anything but a bum".

                      Get this in your heads: Calzaghe is about to retire.

                      Seriously, post one more masterpiece, then **** off. That's what I say.
                      Why is he retiring when he is close to his prime (his two best wins in Kessler and Hopkins have come in his last 3 fights) if not actually IN it?

                      We're not talking modern day Toney or RJJ here, who are shot and need to call it a day. We're talking about a fighter who is still a fresh 36 year old and is still a good fighter.

                      Why is he retiring when there is so much dispute about his legacy and talents?

                      Why is he retiring when there is a quality fight there to be made? **** how much money Dawson brings to the table, the impact a win for Calzaghe would be immense.

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