Pacquiao-DLH being a fix..

[the330ballers]

Nacho made sure to over-train and force Oscar to lose muscle mass by fight time. He then followed it up by poisoning Oscar's water. Nacho was sent by Mexico to get revenge on the Golden Boy for beating their idol JCC. Nacho is a Hero today.

LOL; where are the conspiracy theories with this?


I highly doubt this fight was fixed. This thread is sad.

i didnt say it WAS a fix, i was addressing the numerous posts claiming it was a fix. i already stated that i wouldnt believe it was a fix (mainly because of the reasoning behind a fix.. Why the hell would dlh toss this fight; he would gain nothing out of it. read deanrw's post. it would only make arum richer.)
but i was trying to bring attention to that ****ing weird ass part in the seventh round... why in the HELL would dlh keep pinning himself in the corner when he had the perfect opportunity to spin manny around and pin him along the ropes. that should be instinctual. it looked almost like a gimme at 1:16.

ive tried to put myself in his shoes watching that part over and over. i really dont understand what he was doing. why not a SINGLE punch came back. and why he purposely pinned himself against the ropes..

maybe the other guys were right.. maybe he was so beaten that he wanted his corner to stop it. or maybe there was nothing wrong with oscar and thats just the way he fights......

BTW I did NOT think marquez, barrera, or morales were fixed fights. You're missing the point. This isnt about Pacquiao backing off after throwing flurries. This is about DLH being in position to pin Pacquiao against the ropes and then stepping to his right and re-pinning himself against the ropes. NOBODY does that.

[Bhopreign]

Not sure if it was fixed or not but one thing did surprise me. Almost everybody in the boxing world conceded Oscar would win and that it was a mismatch, but Oscar wasnt even a 2-1 favorite for this fight, thats strange. When most people think a fighter will win, the odds arnt usually as close, I thought that was kinda odd.

But Oscar looked weak, standing on very skinny and fragile looking legs, he looked like he used to look at 135, but he was much younger and fresher then.

[SnoopySmurf]

i wouldnt really think this fight is a fix but the one part in the fight that really bothers me is with 1:16 left in the seventh round when DLH's gets out of the corner that hes getting beat up in, grabs the ropes (has the perfect escape route to turn around pacman and corner him) and goes back in the corner and keeps getting pounded.. he keeps going in the corners to get beat up. and earlier merchant said "it looks like de la hoyas trying to set a trap but mannys too smart"... something seems fishy just about that part of the fight.

Pacquiao was gone by the time Oscar had his feet set to counter. Oscar was too slow to react so throwing a punch at nothing would just leave him open to another punch.

Everyone knows that Oscar in his prime at 147 would beat Pac. But the Pac team knew this was not a prime Oscar so they signed the fight.

[oc9979]

you know what i think. im not a floyd fan or anything. i think oscar wanted to make pacman legacy better than floyd. but i wouldnt understand why would he throw the fight if the fighter is not under gbp.

[Chups]

Not sure if it was fixed or not but one thing did surprise me. Almost everybody in the boxing world conceded Oscar would win and that it was a mismatch, but Oscar wasnt even a 2-1 favorite for this fight, thats strange. When most people think a fighter will win, the odds arnt usually as close, I thought that was kinda odd.

But Oscar looked weak, standing on very skinny and fragile looking legs, he looked like he used to look at 135, but he was much younger and fresher then.

It was 3-1 in the beginning (when they signed the contract), then as the fight nears Pac's stock began climbing. It ended around 1.5-1 in the betting odds. It was mostly influenced by the 24/7 HBO special.

[Squabbles94806]

Look, Pacquiao beat down De La Hoya. Ain't no fixed fight, nothing was thrown. Pacman just ate him up that's all. Keep watching the fight and watch what Pacquiao was actually doing. And if anyone knows anything about De La Hoya's fighting style, they'll understand.

When you watch the fight again look for this:

Pacquiao was constantly moving in a circle avoiding his big right hang.
Instead of throwing a jab, Manny would shoot a str8 left that's lined up right down the pipe. That kept De La Hoya off balance.

You can tell in Pacquiao's corner that he was feeling the effects of the constant moving, because he had that tired pain look on his face. Freddie Roach told him not to get lazy and stay off the ropes. That way DLH won't be able to keep him in one spot.

DLH couldn't find Pacman that night. That's it and that's all.

Pacquiao doesn't do fixed fights....or throw them.

[SnoopySmurf]

Also, the writing was on the wall. During Oscar's training, he got beat pretty badly by a former straw weight fighter (forgot his name). Even gave Oscar a black eye. Then he was dismissed.

Of course, the fighter said that he had his own training to do for some other fight so he left the Oscar camp. But the word was - he was dismissed as a sparring partner.

[oc9979]

Pacquiao doesn't do fixed fights....or throw them.

so now you work with pacquiao??? ohh i know he called you and let you know that. oh please. especially if he going to win the fight and get more money. i think anybody would throw the fight

[the330ballers]

Not sure if it was fixed or not but one thing did surprise me. Almost everybody in the boxing world conceded Oscar would win and that it was a mismatch, but Oscar wasnt even a 2-1 favorite for this fight, thats strange. When most people think a fighter will win, the odds arnt usually as close, I thought that was kinda odd.

But Oscar looked weak, standing on very skinny and fragile looking legs, he looked like he used to look at 135, but he was much younger and fresher then.

i think the odds were much different than what the experts predicted because of a lot of casual fans. i know a lot of mma fans that watched the fight that thought pacquiao would "stomp de la hoya" my friend who comes over to my house and has seen the pacquiao highlights on my tivo thought he was going to win and immediately after the fight thought "i think he can beat mayweather"
as for the people who have watched pacquiao throughout his career. i think most people (including myself) just thought de la hoya was too big for him. in fact, i thought ricky hatton was too big for pacquiao as well. maybe im just pessimistic but i thought david diaz was the weakest of the 135 pounders and thought maybe pacquiao wouldnt even be as dominate at 135 lbs let alone 147. i thought he lost his one punch knock out power and the diaz KO was more of from an accumulation of punches.
now i watch the de la hoya fight and think it is a HUGE accomplishment with a PERFECT gameplan by pacquiao but question what was wrong with de la hoya. how shot was he? i rewatched the forbes fight and think it is POSSIBLE that this was the same de la hoya. if you watch closely de la hoya does not snap his jab very well (neither does he in the pacquiao fight) and his combinations are mostly landed because forbes was sitting right infront of him. forbes fought with a complete sparring partners mentality and never put his punches together and still was able to tag de la hoya.

now im not saying that pac's victory wasnt an accomplishment. i just would REALLY like to see de la hoya fight again.. maybe julio cesar chavez jr. even.. preferabbly before manny fights hatton....

realistically that wont happen. and i will be sitting watching the hatton fight nervous as hell not knowing how much to read into the de la hoya victory. knowing only that there will be expectations for him to win, but excuses if pacquiao loses.. ("he beat a completely shot de la hoya, he should not even be fighting at 140")

as for now id pick pacquiao over hatton. i think mayweather sr.'s gonna **** up hattons aggresive style, which would be a disaster for pacquiao.