Freddie Roach Willing To Train Nonito Donaire

[Left Hook Tua]

Wrong. He has made some huge blunders, most notably regarding Vasquez who he said was finished (something he also said about Hopkins) - both statements made immediately after losses in which he was involved as trainer. Coincidence?

and hopkins wasn't?

a not finished hopkins wouldn't have lost to calzaghe.

a lot of people thought hopkins was finished at different points in his career.

nothing new there.

[larryx]

That's the key word in every trainer/ boxer relationship. If the student is not willing, the teacher can only do so much.

um..i know..just saying pacman is his claim to fame

[Miburo]

and hopkins wasn't?

a not finished hopkins wouldn't have lost to calzaghe.

a lot of people thought hopkins was finished at different points in his career.

nothing new there.

Just like he showed against Pavlik? Roach doesn't deserve all the blame for the gameplan flaws in that fight (Hopkins had been fighting in a similar way for awhile), but he didn't do much to help either. I don't think his presence was positive or negative, just neutral with little impact. Which was my point. Perhaps he tries to influence them too much, when they're already largely self-directed, or perhaps he fails to have any influence. One really can't say.

[Left Hook Tua]

This is what I don't get, Roger Mayweather is regarded as one of the best trainers in boxing because he trained Floyd Mayeather Jr who was p4p no.1 but yet Roach is overrated because he trains the current p4p no.1. It's bull****.

that's what i said.

look at pacquiao back then and pacquiao now.

tell me roach is overrated.

he MADE a nobody into the #1 p4p fighter in the world.

[larryx]

This is what I don't get, Roger Mayweather is regarded as one of the best trainers in boxing because he trained Floyd Mayeather Jr who was p4p no.1 but yet Roach is overrated because he trains the current p4p no.1. It's bull****.

i never said roger was the best trainer....man is that the nsb cope out???bring up a mayweather?????????????

[Left Hook Tua]

Just like he showed against Pavlik? Roach doesn't deserve all the blame for the gameplan flaws in that fight (Hopkins had been fighting in a similar way for awhile), but he didn't do much to help either. I don't think his presence was positive or negative, just neutral with little impact. Which was my point.

yeah so hopkins is prime again because he beat pavlik?

sometimes old fighters find fights that they can win and look like their old self.

then other times they can train their hardest and come out like **** in the fight.

[Miburo]

This is what I don't get, Roger Mayweather is regarded as one of the best trainers in boxing because he trained Floyd Mayeather Jr who was p4p no.1 but yet Roach is overrated because he trains the current p4p no.1. It's bull****.

Roger Mayweather is a great mitt-man. Floyd is basically self-trained, and Floyd Sr. deserves what credit there is for developing him. They are a great match now, but largely because they have good synergy and Roger doesn't try to interject himself overmuch. He performs the physical role that Floyd needs to complete his routine, and probably little else (other than moral support).

[larryx]

that's what i said.

look at pacquiao back then and pacquiao now.

tell me roach is overrated.

he MADE a nobody into the #1 p4p fighter in the world.

hell i said pacman was his claim to fame

[Miburo]

yeah so hopkins is prime again because he beat pavlik?

sometimes old fighters find fights that they can win and look like their old self.

then other times they can train their hardest and come out like **** in the fight.

Where did the word prime come from? There's a large difference between "finished" and "prime". You also completely ignored my primary example, that of Vasquez, who is not old but certainly a veteran.

[larryx]

Roger Mayweather is a great mitt-man. Floyd is basically self-trained, and Floyd Sr. deserves what credit there is for developing him. They are a great match now, but largely because they have good synergy and Roger doesn't try to interject himself overmuch. He performs the physical role that Floyd needs to complete his routine, and probably little else (other than moral support).

exactly floyd sr made floyd jr....