Floyd Sr: "Nacho Beristain don't know **** about Boxing"

[Benny Leonard]

Tell me how different Oscar style wise when he was being trained by Floyd and last fight with Nacho?

You said it takes time to build fighter that's why Floyd is unsure with his boy right now yet he was so sure before about Oscar winning the fight convincingly knowing that Oscar having a new trainer. He should have said that before if he is really that great.

Floyd pushed Oscar to use his jab more. Oscar always had a good jab and used it well but he started to become reliant on the left-hook. Floyd Sr. also got Oscar to use his right and although Freddie said no trainer has been able to get Oscar to use it and it's never been effective...go check out the Vargas fight.

Oscar is better than Ricky...specifically because of his size which makes the difference in this case.

You can be "Great" and still over-look things and make mistakes. Dundee must really suck in your eyes.

I don't even think Floyd and Roger thought Nacho could screw Oscar up that bad.

And Pac was knocked out back in the day so obviously he makes mistakes too.

Preperation and matching your fighter with certain fighters, having them match your negotiations is key to winning the War.

[BlackHat]

Floyd pushed Oscar to use his jab more. Oscar always had a good jab and used it well but he started to become reliant on the left-hook. Floyd Sr. also got Oscar to use his right and although Freddie said no trainer has been able to get Oscar to use it and it's never been effective...go check out the Vargas fight.

Oscar is better than Ricky...specifically because of his size which makes the difference in this case.

You can be "Great" and still over-look things and make mistakes. Dundee must really suck in your eyes.

I don't even think Floyd and Roger thought Nacho could screw Oscar up that bad.

And Pac was knocked out back in the day so obviously he makes mistakes too.

Preperation and matching your fighter with certain fighters, having them match your negotiations is key to winning the War.

I assume you were aware that Pac's speed took Oscar's offensive moves and was the key of his victory. Oscar was jabbing 1st and 2nd round but miserably failed to land

Dundee and Nacho failed Big time but that doesn't make him more knowledgeable than the two. I bet the outcome of the fight would be the same even if Sr. was in Oscar's corner.

My point is Sr. is nothing special compared to Dundee and Nacho. And he's so full of **** with his trash talk.

[BlackHat]

yeah...their not psychics...but they should have thought it was a possibility. Even I thought it on some level when I called it could be Kostya Tszyu vs. Ricky Hatton situation. I didn't think it would be this bad.

Freddie got Morales to fight at a certain weight...we all should have expected it to be honest with Oscar.

He shouldn't talk **** when he himself was wrong.

[icantbox]

I want to see Hatton/Pacquiao so bad. ALot of people thought Floyd couldn't change Ricky and still believe it this day, but I saw some things Ricky was doing differently. They are very subtle changes (head movement, different jab work) but they are there. So, I guess if thios fight comes off, Floyd Sr is proven to be either the real deal or a poser. I think if he gets Ricky a W against Manny, he's the man.

[Pullcounter]

Tell me how different Oscar style wise when he was being trained by Floyd and last fight with Nacho?

You said it takes time to build fighter that's why Floyd is unsure with his boy right now yet he was so sure before about Oscar winning the fight convincingly knowing that Oscar having a new trainer. He should have said that before if he is really that great.

read the article... floyd sr. lays out what nacho did wrong...

if I remember right:

- hands too far apart
- not boxing on his toes
- no jab
- overtrained
- can't get dlh to relax
- etc..

[Pullcounter]

I assume you were aware that Pac's speed took Oscar's offensive moves and was the key of his victory. Oscar was jabbing 1st and 2nd round but miserably failed to land

Dundee and Nacho failed Big time but that doesn't make him more knowledgeable than the two. I bet the outcome of the fight would be the same even if Sr. was in Oscar's corner.

My point is Sr. is nothing special compared to Dundee and Nacho. And he's so full of **** with his trash talk.

the difference is that floyd sr. has worked w/ dlh longer and knows how to work w/ dlh...

the article made a good point that dlh has not won one fight w/o floyd sr. or something to that effect...

[ragingvic]

Damn he done forgot more then nacho and dundee ever knew, and dundee is almost 90 yrs old. .

[BlackHat]

read the article... floyd sr. lays out what nacho did wrong...

if I remember right:

- hands too far apart
- not boxing on his toes
- no jab
- overtrained
- can't get dlh to relax
- etc..

did you followed the conversation? im not just commenting on the article.

Anyway. I believe Pac's speed and movement made those things happen. Put a floyd on the rope against DLH and Im sure he'll gonna pull the trigger

[BlackHat]

the difference is that floyd sr. has worked w/ dlh longer and knows how to work w/ dlh...

the article made a good point that dlh has not won one fight w/o floyd sr. or something to that effect...

That being said, he predicted DLH to win convincingly. but it's not what happen so now he's bashing on dundee and Nacho and He's the knowledgeable one?

Seriously do you think Oscar could have win if Sr was in his corner?

[Benny Leonard]

I assume you were aware that Pac's speed took Oscar's offensive moves and was the key of his victory. Oscar was jabbing 1st and 2nd round but miserably failed to land

Dundee and Nacho failed Big time but that doesn't make him more knowledgeable than the two. I bet the outcome of the fight would be the same even if Sr. was in Oscar's corner.

My point is Sr. is nothing special compared to Dundee and Nacho. And he's so full of **** with his trash talk.

Speed can kill; this is true. But if you are already dead; that doesn't help. Oscar couldn't even get off his punches...he needed to jab to slow Pac down and he just couldn't do it.

When you are drained, everything goes wrong. You aren't sharp Mentally and Physically.

Dundee is probably overrated and gets to much credit for Ali and Leonard as far as teaching. He didn't teach Ali and Leonard; he helped guide them after they were already very good fighters. Dundee used to be in the corner of many of Tyson's opponents; it didn't help them.

For Nacho: he messed up big time.

Floyd Sr. isn't perfect.