Floyd Sr: "Nacho Beristain don't know **** about Boxing"

[Benny Leonard]

He shouldn't talk **** when he himself was wrong.

He has every right to bash them for ****ing up a fighter he once trained and should have been better that night. If Oscar had any chance in this fight he would have been able to show up healthier at 157 by fight time. That's what Sr. is bashing. They killed Oscar even before he got in the ring.

He does give credit to Roach who should be given the most credit for knowing everything that would happen. He knew Oscar wasn't the same fighter and he knew Oscar was going to have trouble in making the weight.


The Blame should be put on Oscar for even making the fight at 147...but that is the only way Freddie would have allowed this fight to take place...he knew Oscar's greed would cloud his mind.

[Benny Leonard]

That being said, he predicted DLH to win convincingly. but it's not what happen so now he's bashing on dundee and Nacho and He's the knowledgeable one?

Seriously do you think Oscar could have win if Sr was in his corner?

Floyd would have never over-trained him and had him show up at 157 by fight time. But even that, I really don't know if Oscar would have won. He would have been more lively and better prepared, but I also thought of the Kostya Tszyu vs. Ricky Hatton situation: 35 years of age; declined; inactive; shoulder problems; trying to make weight he han't made in a while; and going up against a younger, hungrier, more active fighter who was still in his prime.

At 154 under Floyd Sr. I give Oscar his best chances...but no way was Freddie going to take that type of fight.

[BlackHat]

Speed can kill; this is true. But if you are already dead; that doesn't help. Oscar couldn't even get off his punches...he needed to jab to slow Pac down and he just couldn't do it.

When you are drained, everything goes wrong. You aren't sharp Mentally and Physically.

Dundee is probably overrated and gets to much credit for Ali and Leonard as far as teaching. He didn't teach Ali and Leonard; he helped guide them after they were already very good fighters. Dundee used to be in the corner of many of Tyson's opponents; it didn't help them.

For Nacho: he messed up big time.

Floyd Sr. isn't perfect.

Seriously, do you think Oscar should have won if Sr was in his corner?

[BlackHat]

Speed can kill; this is true. But if you are already dead; that doesn't help. Oscar couldn't even get off his punches...he needed to jab to slow Pac down and he just couldn't do it.

When you are drained, everything goes wrong. You aren't sharp Mentally and Physically.

Dundee is probably overrated and gets to much credit for Ali and Leonard as far as teaching. He didn't teach Ali and Leonard; he helped guide them after they were already very good fighters. Dundee used to be in the corner of many of Tyson's opponents; it didn't help them.

For Nacho: he messed up big time.

Floyd Sr. isn't perfect.

Same goes for senior I guess, Oscar and Floyd are very talented... who's Sr. without Floyd and Oscar?

[Benny Leonard]

Same goes for senior I guess, Oscar and Floyd are very talented... who's Sr. without Floyd and Oscar?

I thought Chad Dawson was better with Sr. than without.

Saying "who is Floyd Sr. without Floyd Jr." is like saying who is Enzo Ferrari....

Floyd Sr. was also a pro boxer. Freddie was as well.

Just because a "tainer" gets his hands on a lot of fighters doesn't make him better than one who created one of the greatest of all times; from the ground up.

[Benny Leonard]

Seriously, do you think Oscar should have won if Sr was in his corner?

At 147 with Floyd Sr: Even if Floyd had him better prepared and he came in healther at 157 by fight time...which still isn't a good thing for Oscar since he should have had the fight at 154 and then put on weight by fight time like he did with Floyd...I would still favor Pac over Oscar...which is why I thought of the possibility it could end up like Kostya Tszyu vs. Ricky Hatton.

[BlackHat]

I thought Chad Dawson was better with Sr. than without.

Saying "who is Floyd Sr. without Floyd Jr." is like saying who is Enzo Ferrari....

Floyd Sr. was also a pro boxer. Freddie was as well.

Just because a "tainer" gets his hands on a lot of fighters doesn't make him better than one who created one of the greatest of all times; from the ground up.

Just because a "trainer" has one of the most talented boxer(floyd) as his son doesn't mean he's the most knowledgeable. And you might be forgotting who's bashing who in your last statement.

[Pullcounter]

did you followed the conversation? im not just commenting on the article.

Anyway. I believe Pac's speed and movement made those things happen. Put a floyd on the rope against DLH and Im sure he'll gonna pull the trigger

yeah, pac had a lot to do with it, but things may have been different w/ floyd

[BlackHat]

At 147 with Floyd Sr: Even if Floyd had him better prepared and he came in healther at 157...which still isn't a good thing for Oscar...I would still favor Pac over Oscar...which is why I thought of the possibility it could end up like Kostya Tszyu vs. Ricky Hatton.

The fight was made at 147 so it's a fact that should be considered and think of in the first place. There you said it yourself Pac can could have still won the fight even if Sr. is there... so what makes him more special?

And if the fight was made in 154 do you think Oscar could have won with Nacho and Dundee?

[Pullcounter]

That being said, he predicted DLH to win convincingly. but it's not what happen so now he's bashing on dundee and Nacho and He's the knowledgeable one?

Seriously do you think Oscar could have win if Sr was in his corner?

I can't say that for certain, but adding floyd into the mix changes the variables to the equation