De La Hoya > Joe Calzaghe?

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This thread is a spin off from the "All time great" columns out there about Calzaghe and De La Hoya. The author says that Calzaghe is an ATG, but De La Hoya is just a Hall of Famer. I disagree. The has been no one in the last 20 years who took greater risks in the ring than De La Hoya. He didn't just hang on to a title for years like Calz, he moved up in weight and took on the best of the best consistently. In terms of wins, for the sake of arguement lets cancel out DLH win against Chavez and Calzaghe's win against Roy Jones because both were way past prime. Same goes for DLH win against Whitaker and Calz's win against Hopkins (both controversial wins against older fighters). After taking out those wins, what we are left to compare is their other big wins.

De La Hoya - Hernandez, Vargas, Quartey, and Ruelas
Calzaghe - Lacy, Kessler, Eubank

I value De La Hoya's win's more (plus I think he beat Trinidad). Plus he had other controversial loses against top competition.

IMO Calzaghe is an ATG, but didn't take the risks and challenges that DLH faced. That coupled with De La Hoya's big wins makes him an ATG in my opinion.

Rold was wrong.

Dont see how the Hopkins win was controversial.

[dans]

Dont see how the Hopkins win was controversial.

Don't get me wrong, I think Joe won, but some people believe otherwise.

[Squabbles94806]

Is Calzaghe really as good as people make him out to be?

I'm not really akin to his style. Most of his fights took place in Europe, so the yanks haven't witnesses his greatness. Yeah sure he's undefeated. But who were his opponents.

So he beat two of the legends. Hopkins, Jones and whooped on Lacy. I'm not sure where Kessler is ranked internationally, but Calzaghe whooped on him too.

[daggum]

Dont see how the Hopkins win was controversial.

you don't see how it was controversial.

[Pullcounter]

This thread is a spin off from the "All time great" columns out there about Calzaghe and De La Hoya. The author says that Calzaghe is an ATG, but De La Hoya is just a Hall of Famer. I disagree. The has been no one in the last 20 years who took greater risks in the ring than De La Hoya. He didn't just hang on to a title for years like Calz, he moved up in weight and took on the best of the best consistently. In terms of wins, for the sake of arguement lets cancel out DLH win against Chavez and Calzaghe's win against Roy Jones because both were way past prime. Same goes for DLH win against Whitaker and Calz's win against Hopkins (both controversial wins against older fighters). After taking out those wins, what we are left to compare is their other big wins.

De La Hoya - Hernandez, Vargas, Quartey, and Ruelas
Calzaghe - Lacy, Kessler, Eubank

I value De La Hoya's win's more (plus I think he beat Trinidad). Plus he had other controversial loses against top competition.

IMO Calzaghe is an ATG, but didn't take the risks and challenges that DLH faced. That coupled with De La Hoya's big wins makes him an ATG in my opinion.

Rold was wrong.

yeah rold is wrong about calz being an ATG...

DLH actually took risks and fought the best.

Calz fought bums and took risks against a shot fighter and a senior citizen.

if dlh took risks like calz took risks, then dlh would be top 3 ATG.

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you don't see how it was controversial.

Thought Calzaghe dominated from the 6th and shared the first 6.

As does everyone not American or from Philly.

Calzaghe first fight at the weight under trained taxed Nards as.

Joe obliterates him in rematch.

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yeah rold is wrong about calz being an ATG...

DLH actually took risks and fought the best.

Calz fought bums and took risks against a shot fighter and a senior citizen.

if dlh took risks like calz took risks, then dlh would be top 3 ATG.

Kessler, Eubank, Hopkins are great wins.

Hopkins making Pavlik his ***** kinda makes your argument sound.......

HATERISH.

[bsrizpac]

Kessler, Eubank, Hopkins are great wins.

Hopkins making Pavlik his ***** kinda makes your argument sound.......

HATERISH.

Name one very good fighter kessler has beaten. Eubank was finished, but anyone with a clue knows that.

Hopkins was a close win. Nothing great about that win over a 43 year old guy that close and then refusing a rematch and getting knocked on your ass.

Next.

[SHB]

The list of fighters who have beat De La Hoya is mightily impressive. Defeats don't count in the positive side of a fighters ledger IMO.

De La Hoya is the bigger star and you could certainly argue he has the bigger wins on his resume (although his biggest wins are against the fighters at the end of their career that Calzaghe is denigrated for also achieving), although it is open to debate. However I'd pick Calzaghe above DLH every day of the week in terms of who's the better boxer.