oscar would have been top 3 greatest of all time.....

[KostyaTszyu44]

he would have beaten duran at welter.doubt he would at lightweight.hagler was a career middleweight oscar started at superfeather.he would have held his own against leonard.walker beats him though.this isn't about match ups to me.I'm talking what he did in his era, compared to what other fighters did in theirs.

no, no and no

the duran that beat leonard in their first fight would beat any welter in history IMO, except ray robinson and maybe a few others like emile griffith

[KostyaTszyu44]

And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

For all these ifs, the best opponents Oscar beat were Ike Quartey and Fernando Vargas.

lol

[AntonTheMeh]

no, no and no

the duran that beat leonard in their first fight would beat any welter in history IMO, except ray robinson and maybe a few others like emile griffith

because, that fight, was a landslide, right?
that fight was close.and leonard fought duran's fight.beaten any welterweight in history?hell no.tito woulda smacked his ass up.

[IMDAZED]

because, that fight, was a landslide, right?
that fight was close.and leonard fought duran's fight.beaten any welterweight in history?hell no.tito woulda smacked his ass up.

So the fact that it wasn't a landslide means what?

Maybe Duran beats Tito, maybe he doesn't. But the idea that welterweight Oscar could beat Duran is based on what, exactly? The way he was soundly defeated by a Shane Mosley who was at 135 just two fights before?

[AntonTheMeh]

Thanks for clarifying. Either way it's ludicrous, hence the aunt reference. You can run down that list and apply it to everyone.

If Zab Judah had beat all his opponents...WOW!

zab judahs best opponents
kostya
cotto
mayweather
spinks
clottey

oscar best opponents,
trinidad
hopkins
mosley
camacho
chavez
quartey
gatti
vargas
mayorga
mayweather

ludicrous?
the **** outta here.you're a ****ing idiot.
and i could give to ****s about you're hermaphrodite aunt.
get the **** outr my thread ****ing ****wad.

[dans]

maybe even the greatest, if he beat everyone he faced.
as far as skill is concerned, he was a one handed ray robinson(his right hand wasn't as great as his left, as ray's was)
he had grace,skill,heart(it took the days of for 2 fights),chin,
he could box and brawl.he could fight on the inside, on the outside.
he could fight comng forward, going backwards.
these are all things that are said about ray robinson.
he was more sugar than shane was.(maybe if his name rey de la hoya, he could have gotten that nickname)
he won belts in six divisions,17 title defenses( I'm not sure about that number)
say what you will about him as a person(as i have) but i don't think many people would come up with an argument against him not being top 3,2, or 1 IF he beat everyone he faced.

don't act like you won't miss him when he's gone either.

I would definitly agree with that. If he had notched wins over a prime Tito, Hopkins, and Mayweather, forget about it. That would have been pure legendary stuff. Even though this could never have happened, I think it shows what type of risks he was willing to take throughout his career that we can talk about this. Think about it, DLH winning all of his fights means he's top 1,2,3 of all time, while Calzaghe and Floyd have won all their fights and it's debatable.

[AntonTheMeh]

So the fact that it wasn't a landslide means what?

Maybe Duran beats Tito, maybe he doesn't. But the idea that welterweight Oscar could beat Duran is based on what, exactly? The way he was soundly defeated by a Shane Mosley who was at 135 just two fights before?

oscar, i could argue was at his best at welter.duran's best was lightweight.

and soundly defeated?it was a split decision. soundly defeated

[Allucard]

i still put him behind Roy Jones then if we are talking Era's

And certainly behind pretty boy Floyd imo. Because popularity doesn't make you a better fighter on itself. If we're talking about popularity and drawing power he's right there with Ali and Tyson hands down

[DiegoFuego]

Thanks for clarifying. Either way it's ludicrous, hence the aunt reference. You can run down that list and apply it to everyone.

If Zab Judah had beat all his opponents...WOW!

Not comparable at all.

TRINIDAD
HOPKINS
MOSLEY
MAYWEATHER

all four of them are in the top 10 of the last 20 years except maybe Mosley

aside from Mayweather, none of Judah's opponents make that kind of cut

[Brandish]

no, no and no

the duran that beat leonard in their first fight would beat any welter in history IMO, except ray robinson and maybe a few others like emile griffith

more duran bull**** duran isn't even top 20 at 147, he damn sure aint top 20 at 154, and he ain't top 20 at 160. yet stans like you run around and rate him top 5 atg

in ten years you will be the stan claiming oscar de la hoya is top 5 atg. duran lost to all the greats of his area and plenty of bums, so I am quite sure oscar will be ranked ahead of floyd, hopkins, roy, and tito once he retires.

it always happens in boxing a hispanic fighter retires and all of a sudden when they didn't rank while they were fighting they all of a sudden (like duran who wasn't a relevant or dominant champ outside of 135) get anoninted the best.

the question is if duran wasn't ranked the best fighter of his generation how do his stans rank hium top 10 when oscar retires people will do the same thing. they will look at who he fought not who he beat