How about GERRY PENALOSA vs VIC DARCHINYAN

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Yes i think MIJARES did... sometimes you know PEOPLE would tend to ACT BRAVE thought deep inside they're scared as hell so they psyche themselves up...BUT the MOMENT he tasted VIC powers on the first canto... BAM!!! all his IOTA of COURAGE left him and he went to the defensive... which will benefit a fighter like VIC immensely who comes in THROWS HIS POWER PUNCHES WITHOUT REGARD to his own safety...yeah i admit HE impoved a lot since the donaire loss but will these improvement change the VIC of the old? I guess he has improved. by being patient in his offense. HE doesnt rush in as he is used to...BUT not ON HIS DEFENSE... VIC IS STILL VIC...powerful yet akward and susceptible to BIG COUNTERS..

I guess we might have different opinion, your opinion is as good as mine...

But do you think it has a good potential of being a a GOOD fight? It could usher VIC in the BIG BOYS DIVISION and BIG MONEY FIGHTS as well as should he beat GERRY it would be a loud announcement to the divsion and could set up fights with..JUAN MA, RAFA or who know IZZY(though of course he is one weight higher).

But i still do think GERRY would still clock VICK with a left straight or a hook to the chin... AND HE WOULD GO TO LA LA LAND ONCE more (without being hurt of course as he said)...

I don't believe he was scared at all, you can see fear in a person's eyes, I never saw that in Mijares against Darchinyan, I saw confusion, determination etc. but never fear and I've seen Mijares fight a lot. And Mijares never went into the defensive too much in the fight, it's one of the things I was so disappointed in, he fought Darchinyan's fight, which as I said, Darchinyan has a habit of making his opponents do, he makes them fight the fight he wants them to fight.

We've seen Darchinyan's improvements for 3 fights and a year now, if he hasn't reverted back to that old, wild slugger that he was, I doubt he will now, it will have manifested itself by now.

Not really, his defense has improved a lot as well, especially after the Gorres fight, I was very surprised at how well he was blocking and slipping shots from Kirilov and Darchinyan, his footwork is much better now as well, if he couldn't get countered by Mijares, he's going be hard to get countered by anyone.

It could turn out to be a good fight, stylistically, it could be a decent fight, but I doubt it'd be like an all action type of fight, Darchinyan's fights have never been without action or excitement really.

We'll agree to disagree.

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if he couldn't get countered by Mijares, he's going be hard to get countered by anyone.

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You see my friend MIJARES' counter punching is way over-rated...His fight with Arce made him " one of the best counter puncher in the business". BUT its a well fitted fight for him(MIJARES). Jorge is very easy to hit...He is one of the walking punching bags...(but i might say one of the good fighters as well).MIJARES is not like some JMM or Pernell.

At least one more fight with top notch fighter and VIC would have me sold that he already improved completely....Until then I still believe he is still POWER PUNCHER which can be hit...Before and till know he reminds me of a young pAC pre-JMM days... powerful and akward with a decent defense if not all.

somebody has to expose his vulnerability sooner or later and that guy had to be NONITO (as with PAC it was JMM)... PAC made the adjustment and after the EM fight they said he improved alot and he did.. But you see there are still traces of his old self once in every fight...

It seems to be instinct of a fighter to revert back to his old self when something goes wrong in the game plan...As such i still think the NEW VIC still needs to be tested after the "improvement day". I believe Mijares did not test him that much so much so as to put in to disaray VIC's game plan...one more fight that will test the limits of the NEW VIC and he will have me compltetly sold.

BTW I rooted for him in the MIJARES fight because he is exciting like my fav fighter PAc but he is tOOOOOOO ****y...

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vic overwhelm penalosa???

where a BIG Super Bantam Puncher like DPDL could not do it, I really dont see Vic be able to do that and although Gerry's punches did not hurt the BIG DPDL, I am sure it will HURT the smaller Darchinyan...

and I have to add that VIC is not technically gifted as Gonzales who really gave Gerry a hard time...

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vic overwhelm penalosa???

where a BIG Super Bantam Puncher like DPDL could not do it, I really dont see Vic be able to do that and although Gerry's punches did not hurt the BIG DPDL, I am sure it will HURT the smaller Darchinyan...

same point here....

you see guys its just recently that the boxing world got to know Gerry but us filipinos where treated with a witnessing the career of one of the best boxers this side of the world. He was known to be a hard puncher before with some technical skills (dont know why but his fighting style always reminds me of Kotsya Tzu... power with skills) He could give body punch knockouts as well as good display of boxing prowess with a lot of defense and ring smartness.

but admittedly he is quite old and pass his prime...that makes the fight interesting. Gerry is bigger more skilled but OLDER. VIC is younger smaller but with power and devil may care style.... (the match up sounds familiar dont you think./....)

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if he couldn't get countered by Mijares, he's going be hard to get countered by anyone.

You see my friend MIJARES' counter punching is way over-rated...His fight with Arce made him " one of the best counter puncher in the business". BUT its a well fitted fight for him(MIJARES). Jorge is very easy to hit...He is one of the walking punching bags...(but i might say one of the good fighters as well).MIJARES is not like some JMM or Pernell.

At least one more fight with top notch fighter and VIC would have me sold that he already improved completely....Until then I still believe he is still POWER PUNCHER which can be hit...Before and till know he reminds me of a young pAC pre-JMM days... powerful and akward with a decent defense if not all.

somebody has to expose his vulnerability sooner or later and that guy had to be NONITO (as with PAC it was JMM)... PAC made the adjustment and after the EM fight they said he improved alot and he did.. But you see there are still traces of his old self once in every fight...

It seems to be instinct of a fighter to revert back to his old self when something goes wrong in the game plan...As such i still think the NEW VIC still needs to be tested after the "improvement day". I believe Mijares did not test him that much so much so as to put in to disaray VIC's game plan...one more fight that will test the limits of the NEW VIC and he will have me compltetly sold.

BTW I rooted for him in the MIJARES fight because he is exciting like my fav fighter PAc but he is tOOOOOOO ****y...

No, it wasn't just the Arce fight, I suggest you watch more of Mijares, he's shown great counterpunching all the way back in the second Kawashima fight, his counterpunching isn't overrated at all.

If you're not willing to accept what Darchinyan has become in the past year then I have no way of convincing you that he is changed.

As I said if there was reversion, it would have happened already, especially against Mijares but that didn't happen, he has fought in a controlled manner for whole fights in his last 2 fights but if you aren't willing to believe that then I can't convince you of it.

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same point here....

you see guys its just recently that the boxing world got to know Gerry but us filipinos where treated with a witnessing the career of one of the best boxers this side of the world. He was known to be a hard puncher before with some technical skills (dont know why but his fighting style always reminds me of Kotsya Tzu... power with skills) He could give body punch knockouts as well as good display of boxing prowess with a lot of defense and ring smartness.

but admittedly he is quite old and pass his prime...that makes the fight interesting. Gerry is bigger more skilled but OLDER. VIC is younger smaller but with power and devil may care style.... (the match up sounds familiar dont you think./....)

Good Points and VERY TRUE BRO ...

and match up is really familiar .... a poor man's PAC-ODLH

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vic overwhelm penalosa???

where a BIG Super Bantam Puncher like DPDL could not do it, I really dont see Vic be able to do that and although Gerry's punches did not hurt the BIG DPDL, I am sure it will HURT the smaller Darchinyan...

and I have to add that VIC is not technically gifted as Gonzales who really gave Gerry a hard time...

As I said earlier, Ponce De Leon, while being a guy who throws a lot of punches being a powerful puncher himself is nowhere near as smart or as technically sound or as fast as Darchinyan has become. Penalosa has been fighting at 118 for the majority of his career, yes but is he that much bigger than Darchinyan? I don't believe so, Penalosa isn't that big a 118 pounder and Darchinyan looked very strong at 115.

And even if he doesn't overwhelm Penalosa, he'd keep Penalosa on the defensive.

[burglar]

Good Points and VERY TRUE BRO ...

and match up is really familiar .... a poor man's PAC-ODLH

yah pare... one going down one going up to meet in bantamweight..

I think Gerry takes this...

too bad most of the guys just saw "scrapped" of the former gerry...Kung alam lang nila si gerry dati...(if you guys only kenw who gerry was before....)

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As I said earlier, Ponce De Leon, while being a guy who throws a lot of punches being a powerful puncher himself is nowhere near as smart or as technically sound or as fast as Darchinyan has become. Penalosa has been fighting at 118 for the majority of his career, yes but is he that much bigger than Darchinyan? I don't believe so, Penalosa isn't that big a 118 pounder and Darchinyan looked very strong at 115.

And even if he doesn't overwhelm Penalosa, he'd keep Penalosa on the defensive.

I was comparing darch power over Ponce and darch skill over Johnny Gonzalez, no way he is stronger than ponce or technically better the Johnny who has enough pop to put israel twice on the canvas at 122...

although Vic has improved skill and still have power at 115, and Gerry aint that big a guy and have slowed down with age, I don't think he can overwhelm Gerry, with Penalosa's defensive skills and toughness...

IMHO it will be a good fight and VIC is BIG Enough that Gerry can get a Big payday out of it...

hope this is made...

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yah pare... one going down one going up to meet in bantamweight..

I think Gerry takes this...

too bad most of the guys just saw "scrapped" of the former gerry...Kung alam lang nila si gerry dati...(if you guys only kenw who gerry was before....)

if only Gerry had the same exposure as PAC, he could have been big during his hay days...

that's one reason I want to see him again in a BIG Fight, maybe against Rafa, Israel or JML just to let the people see how good this Gerry is... he may not win but he will put up a good fight...