Miguel Cotto vs. Paul Williams

[mellow_mood]

cotto takes him out!

[rizkybizness]

i'm goin to stop posting in threads like this

i post my opinion and it gets ignored

mutha f.uck all this

[Silencers]

I see where your coming from, and it certainly makes sense... I saw what was happening in the earlier rounds. I think that tends to happen when Williams gets sloppy or careless against an opponent hes not necessarily concerned about... I know that may come across as a bull**** excuse, but I think it's a viable reason, as he doesn't seem to concerned with counters when fighting lesser opponents... Not that Quintana is necessarily a lesser opponent, but In Pauls eyes I don't think he viewed Quintana as a threat... which of course, was his own fault.

But against someone like Cotto, I see him being very "by the book". Anyways, as you were stating Williams likes to reach in a lot, and makes him suceptible to the counter, which is true... But when a 6 foot 2 guy is reaching with an 82 inch reach to land a jab and a straight left... it isnt going to be easy for a 5 foot 7 guy to counter him... ESPECIALLY when that guy has a SOLID chin, and only seems to goto work more when he gets hit...

I noticed every time Paul got hit he seemed to only be motivated to stay there and throw more punches. That COULD be a downfall of his against Cotto, OR it could be the exact type of pressure that you need when fighting Cotto... When it comes down to Stamina and Chin, I think Cotto is in over his head... Also with work rate, he would be very over-matched... I think your looking for Cotto to "Quintana" Williams... but I don't think Cotto's style is to similiar to Quintana's...

But I do see where your coming from... and it isn't out of the realm of possibility for Cotto to counter Williams "Reach-In" shots... Just how long can he do it for?

I'm really not sure about that because Quintana is the only top level guy he's faced that has given him consistent movement, I think we'll have to wait and see how he deals with another top level guy that gives him consistent movement before saying he underestimated Quintana.

Williams' jab, while improved, is still not that good, his jab is like a poking jab, kinda like he's trying to burst a balloon or something with that jab, it's like a needle, it's not really strong, it's not really sharp, it's just there to keep opponents at range and to set up his shots or to use it as a weapon to step inside, he doesn't really use that jab to keep opponents at range because he gives away that range after he jabs when he takes a step in, which is what he likes to do, he isn't really an outside fighter although it would suit him better if he were.

Not necessarily, I just think Cotto would be able to punch and move so that Williams wouldn't be able to get his feet set, not to 'Quintana' him and I know his style is very different from Quintana's but he showed against Margarito, at least for the first 6 rounds that he can move and punch very effectively, and I doubt Williams would have been able to take the shots Margarito took, not to say Williams would get hit by so many shots.

As I said earlier, the big question is, can Cotto keep it up? And if he can't can Williams knock him out in the later rounds? Those are the keys IMO.

I can see where you're coming from as well.

[THE REED]

I'm really not sure about that because Quintana is the only top level guy he's faced that has given him consistent movement, I think we'll have to wait and see how he deals with another top level guy that gives him consistent movement before saying he underestimated Quintana.

Williams' jab, while improved, is still not that good, his jab is like a poking jab, kinda like he's trying to burst a balloon or something with that jab, it's like a needle, it's not really strong, it's not really sharp, it's just there to keep opponents at range and to set up his shots or to use it as a weapon to step inside, he doesn't really use that jab to keep opponents at range because he gives away that range after he jabs when he takes a step in, which is what he likes to do, he isn't really an outside fighter although it would suit him better if he were.

Not necessarily, I just think Cotto would be able to punch and move so that Williams wouldn't be able to get his feet set, not to 'Quintana' him and I know his style is very different from Quintana's but he showed against Margarito, at least for the first 6 rounds that he can move and punch very effectively, and I doubt Williams would have been able to take the shots Margarito took, not to say Williams would get hit by so many shots.

As I said earlier, the big question is, can Cotto keep it up? And if he can't can Williams knock him out in the later rounds? Those are the keys IMO.

I definitely agree with you on his jab... I was making the comment as I watched the Verno fight with a few buddies. Its more of a busy range-finder jab... something to keep you occupied and blinded while the straight left or right hook to the body follows in. He can fight on the outside... but he doesn't do it as effectively as he should for someone his size aka Tommy Hearns... BUT he does and can do it... Like you said, can he do it against another elite fighter...?

Two big IFS... Williams hasn't fought/beaten a lot of top level elite fighters... and Cotto just got the beat down of his life... so they would both be a little iffy in this fight...

I would say im more leaning towards the physical differences, punch output, and stamina... while your leaning more towards the elite fighter experience and mobility...

Sounds reasonable to me.

[Silencers]

I definitely agree with you on his jab... I was making the comment as I watched the Verno fight with a few buddies. Its more of a busy range-finder jab... something to keep you occupied and blinded while the straight left or right hook to the body follows in. He can fight on the outside... but he doesn't do it as effectively as he should for someone his size aka Tommy Hearns... BUT he does and can do it... Like you said, can he do it against another elite fighter...?

Two big IFS... Williams hasn't fought/beaten a lot of top level elite fighters... and Cotto just got the beat down of his life... so they would both be a little iffy in this fight...

I would say im more leaning towards the physical differences, punch output, and stamina... while your leaning more towards the elite fighter experience and mobility...

Sounds reasonable to me.

Most definitely.

[Double]

Williams by 8th rd ko. Williams can do everything Margarito can with better defense. Cotto has shown he can be hurt several times. Williams has learned how to sit down on punches and produce more power. Cotto and his management know this and they would never put him in the ring with Williams.

[THE REED]

as long as gods their to guide you, things will work out... most definitely.

[THE REED]

Williams by 8th rd ko. Williams can do everything Margarito can with better defense. Cotto has shown he can be hurt several times. Williams has learned how to sit down on punches and produce more power. Cotto and his management know this and they would never put him in the ring with Williams.

True in a sense but Williams doesn't put power in every shot the way Margarito does.. and as Silencers was saying earlier... its not the same type of pressure... Margarito allowed Cotto absolutely no cool down time...

[savorduhflavor]

True in a sense but Williams doesn't put power in every shot the way Margarito does.. and as Silencers was saying earlier... its not the same type of pressure... Margarito allowed Cotto absolutely no cool down time...

Yea, and while I agree that Williams has a very good chin, it's not Tony's....Williams would have been backed off more than Tony was, giving Cotto some more space.

[THE REED]

Yea, and while I agree that Williams has a very good chin, it's not Tony's....Williams would have been backed off more than Tony was, giving Cotto some more space.

Your going to have to give some kind of proof of that... because williams stood toe to toe with Margarito and gave it right back to him... You can argue that Margarito has a better chin than Williams... but I don't think the proof exists...