If you had to give ONE reason why PACMAN is ahead of JOE on the P4P List

[Chunk..]

Poor guy. God I feel so bad for him. Never stepping up out of his **** weight class to do anything. The retroactively declaring that he was after Roy Jones. Jr. the whole time. Poor guy :-(

He didn't have that many options available to him between 160 and 175, apart from prime Roy and Hopkins.

[bsrizpac]

He didn't have that many options available to him between 160 and 175, apart from prime Roy and Hopkins.

*Sob*. Yeah I guess James Toney, Griffen, Harding were just ****ing around somewhere else.....oh wait....

Also no offense, but come on. How can the Roy fight change your opinion of him? Roy was shot to **** and was garbage going in to that fight as I've declared for a long time. Joy gets more credit for beating Kessler than Roy.

[THE REED]

i said it before the fight even happened, i hoped roy would win, but the reality of the situation was... last time he beat an elite fighter was Tarver I in 2003.... and he sc****d that win.... how much credit can you really get

[Chunk..]

*Sob*. Yeah I guess James Toney, Griffen, Harding were just ****ing around somewhere else.....oh wait....

Also no offense, but come on. How can the Roy fight change your opinion of him? Roy was shot to **** and was garbage going in to that fight as I've declared for a long time. Joy gets more credit for beating Kessler than Roy.

I don't think Calzaghe was even a champion when James Toney was at 168.

And what credit Joe would've got for beating Montell Griffin and Eric Harding is any mans guess? ****, why don't we throw Dariusz Michalczewski and Antonio Tarver in to the mix?

He was a nobody from Wales who you couldn't make a pound off and was managed by Frank ''The ****'' Warren!

You do the math!

[THE REED]

im sorry chunk but 3 weeks ago u were desacrating joe.. now ur like his defense?

[Chunk..]

im sorry chunk but 3 weeks ago u were desacrating joe.. now ur like his defense?

Read the first post mate.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...wrong+calzaghe

[THE REED]

so beating roy gives him redemption for you?

[Chunk..]

It's the way he beat Roy.

[THE REED]

It's the way he beat Roy.

so when joe was sticking his face in roys gloves and roy was doing nothing....

your first thought was... joe is Fantastic!

not... wow roy is SHOT

[Benny Leonard]