Margarito DOES have a point...

[adrsan84]

Althoug Shane Mosley is much more well known by the caual boxing fan, at this point Margarito draws bigger crowds and probably sells more in PPV (we can't say that for sure either way though). So I do think Margarito is actually the bigger draw. Regardless, I think this is a fight which he could very likely win, a very good name on his resume, and a decent payday. I think he made a mistake in turning it down, and unless he somehow mananges to renegotiate a more lucrative deal to fight Shane, or fights a current Champ for about the same amount or more, I think he is making a mistake. It may not be the most relevant fight, or mosley's prime but it's a worthwhile fight.

Tony needs to keep active and keep his momentum going. Since he rejected this fight he needs to make something better, and not sit out until June, that would be very dumb in my opinion.

[savorduhflavor]

it has nothing to do with looking for more money elsewhere. It has everything to do with not accepting a fight where you're being lowballed in. I'd rather make less somewhere else than make more in a fight where you the WW champion of the world got low balled in a fight vs someone that hasnt done ****, looked like **** in his last fight, only brought in 3500 fans or so to the same venue where you brought in 8000 people to fight a no name before margarito had accomplished what he has this year.

Dude with all due respect, cause I do respect you no doubt, but you really think that's the way Tony's thinking right now?

I think he got offended, made a decision that wasn't very well thought out, mostly on impulse, and will regret it. He wants the most money, that is what it's about. He's not that righteous, no one is in this business. He wants the most money, he got offended by the offer and he's thinking "whatever, I don't need that I'm going to make more for the Cotto fight". It's just not good business in my opinion.

If he beats Cotto very convincingly again, and fights Williams, this all goes away no doubt. But if he loses to Cotto, there could be trouble for him...

[egreezy]

what do you mean not want him to have all the belts? If he fights clottey then cotto and wins he'd have the wba, wbo, and ibf belts what are you talking about? And that clottey fight was not close. because you win the first 3 or 4 rounds doesnt mean you win the fight. who doesnt win the first 3 or 4 rounds against margarito? It was a UD bro come on. The scores weren't even close clottey didnt do ****, margarito broke a compubox number on punches in that fight lets not be to biased please.

i thought you were saying he doesn't need to fight clottey because he already beat him. and the belt cotto should have in the rematch he could have gotten in this month instead of a 6 month wait. lol you're the last person to talk about being biased,lol you love margarito, i dont hate him. and clottey won 5 outta the first 6 rounds, saying 3 or 4 is your attempt to degrade his performance, proving your bias in scoring fights with marg in them.

[ANDROID_DOES]

i thought you were saying he doesn't need to fight clottey because he already beat him. and the belt cotto should have in the rematch he could have gotten in this month instead of a 6 month wait. lol you're the last person to talk about being biased,lol you love margarito, i dont hate him. and clottey won 5 outta the first 6 rounds, saying 3 or 4 is your attempt to degrade his performance, proving your bias in scoring fights with marg in them.

no your wrong i scored williams beating margarito. You always twist things bro, go look up the official scores of clottey fight, look up press row scores, look up boxingscene, yahoo, maxboxing scores, look at punch stats number and if you want to tell yourself that fight was close then more power to you buddy

[ANDROID_DOES]

Dude with all due respect, cause I do respect you no doubt, but you really think that's the way Tony's thinking right now?

I think he got offended, made a decision that wasn't very well thought out, mostly on impulse, and will regret it. He wants the most money, that is what it's about. He's not that righteous, no one is in this business. He wants the most money, he got offended by the offer and he's thinking "whatever, I don't need that I'm going to make more for the Cotto fight". It's just not good business in my opinion.

If he beats Cotto very convincingly again, and fights Williams, this all goes away no doubt. But if he loses to Cotto, there could be trouble for him...

you could be right and we still haven't heard from margarito. It will be interesting to hear him talk. you know gbp or arum is trying to screw him and if i had to guess it would be GBP.

[Benny Leonard]

Althoug Shane Mosley is much more well known by the caual boxing fan, at this point Margarito draws bigger crowds and probably sells more in PPV (we can't say that for sure either way though). So I do think Margarito is actually the bigger draw. Regardless, I think this is a fight which he could very likely win, a very good name on his resume, and a decent payday. I think he made a mistake in turning it down, and unless he somehow mananges to renegotiate a more lucrative deal to fight Shane, or fights a current Champ for about the same amount or more, I think he is making a mistake. It may not be the most relevant fight, or mosley's prime but it's a worthwhile fight.

Tony needs to keep active and keep his momentum going. Since he rejected this fight he needs to make something better, and not sit out until June, that would be very dumb in my opinion.

All they have to do is bring the numbers to the table; that's why they have a Promoter.

If Margarito's numbers are better than Shane's, then a larger portion of the pie, depending on how much better those numbers are, would go to him {Margarito}.

If, and this is saying Margarito's numbers are better, if Shane/Golden Boy promotions says NO, 50/50 or whatever the number was that Margarito wasn't happy about, then it is OK for Margarito to say "No," even if 2 million is his highest payday...assuming he hasn't made more than 2 million in one fight before.

[savorduhflavor]

you could be right and we still haven't heard from margarito. It will be interesting to hear him talk. you know gbp or arum is trying to screw him and if i had to guess it would be GBP.

Yea, I think it could be a little of both. Something tells me Arum isn't 100% behind him, and I can't see their relationship getting any better after this whole ordeal.

Arum's just as much of a greedy little **** as DLH, and he blatantly plays favorites.

[adrsan84]

All they have to do is bring the numbers to the table; that's why they have a Promoter.

If Margarito's numbers are better than Shane's, then a larger portion of the pie, depending on how much better those numbers are, would go to him {Margarito}.

If, and this is saying Margarito's numbers are better, if Shane/Golden Boy promotions says NO, 50/50 or whatever the number was that Margarito wasn't happy about, then it is OK for Margarito to say "No," even if 2 million is his highest payday...assuming he hasn't made more than 2 million in one fight before.

The problem for Tony wasn't the 50/50 split itself according to an article I saw, it was the figure of 2 million dollars.

Although the split ends up being the problem because of the fact that HBO only put up a certain amount and they are splitting it in half.

Margarito filled the Home Depot center to fight Williams in 07 (before he truly got popular) while Molsey drew a very small crowd in that same venue. Also the ESPN article notes the ppv numbers for the Margarito-Cotto fight at 450,000 which is a solid figure for a non-Oscar, non-heavyweight bout.

All that business aside, it would probably still benefit Tony to take this fight because in the long run it could mean a very good name on his resume and some more notoriety.

[Vasyl’s dad]

if you don't margarito to have all the belts ok fine, he can defend his belt against collazo another top ww under his resume. and i never said he was scared i think your confused since your defending marg against multiple ppl. and your dillusional if you dont think clottey/margarito was close, you can make a case for that fight being a tie or even clottey winning.


like you don't minimize and ignore his stuff, if he cancelled the cotto rematch i bet you would be just fine with that.

Even the most haterist of haters wouldn't call that fight a draw.


Most will say Clottey was winning after 4 rounds, but will concede its a 12 round fight that he lost.


You're just being ridiculous.

[Easy-E]

The problem for Tony wasn't the 50/50 split itself according to an article I saw, it was the figure of 2 million dollars.

Although the split ends up being the problem because of the fact that HBO only put up a certain amount and they are splitting it in half.

Margarito filled the Home Depot center to fight Williams in 07 (before he truly got popular) while Molsey drew a very small crowd in that same venue. Also the ESPN article notes the ppv numbers for the Margarito-Cotto fight at 450,000 which is a solid figure for a non-Oscar, non-heavyweight bout.

All that business aside, it would probably still benefit Tony to take this fight because in the long run it could mean a very good name on his resume and some more notoriety.

Marg v Cotto did not do close to 450k ppv buys, son.
Arum has still yet to release an official number, meaning he does not want that number to be public, because it proves Marg does not have a fanbase.