When do you think Jones became SHOT?

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  • The Noose
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    #51
    Originally posted by crillz
    I don't think Roy Jones is shot yet. I think he's just been brought back down to earth, he can be hit now so he has to bring a better approach in future fights. I can't lie it hurt to see that fight because you could see the hope in Jones eyes in that 1st round just to have it all shattered for 11 rounds after that. I fully respect and support Calzaghe, I would've won had I bet money but I still feel for Jones, for many years now he's been one of my favorite fighters deservingly his conditioning just caught up to him is all..

    if this fight took place anywhere from 8-10 years ago when it was supposed to happen Jones would've killed Joe. he would've knocked him out, I'm sure of this because joe is not hard to hit and doesn't punch half as much when you give him odd angles and quick, HARD punches to the mug. to beat Joe you either gotta out punch him or confuse the **** stains off his trunks and back then Roy was physically gifted enough to do so, now however he is nowhere near there but since we grew so used to seeing him invincible once he stops performing at that level he's shot.. but in this case he's not.

    long story short Roy still has pop in his punches he just needs to never stop throwing, he does a lot of movement with no throwing and he purposely backs himself into a corner and just stays there not throwing punches and just moving around. to win you must land punches and Roy wont ever do that if he's not throwing any shots. real talk though if Roy just can bring more aggression over 12 rounds he'll be good. I'm talking about REAL aggression too u know attacking fiercely at his opponents, he can do that still even though it wont ever be as good as before.

    people think he's shot because he's on a losing page in his Boxing book but think about it, he went 12 HARD rounds with Joe Calzaghe and didn't even drop, he drops Joe regardless how and actually stunned him. he dealt well with the cut and continued fighting it's just time caught up with him and against Joe Calzaghe you can't afford that to happen. Hopkins looked better because styles makes fights, his philly shell stance is designed to slip punches, it's a hunched in kind of style where all you do is roll around and you can sort of deflect punches while being in position to throw your own. Jones however has a more open style, he keeps his hands low, he pulls straight back and a lot of times he's on the defensive, a style where back in the day due to his physical gifts he was able to get away with that but now he can't because he doesn't have enough behind it.

    the styles determind the fight with Joe, they both dropped him in the 1st round and both ended up losing pretty bad being hit more than they have ever been hit before in a prize fight. the problem here isn't Roy Jones Jr though it's Joe Calzaghe, his punch rate makes it look a whole lot worse than what it was but in truth I was actually impressed by Jones, to finish a fight against a guy like that after taking such a brutal beating showed his heart. if he comes back better prepared he can do something against other fighters.. I'm sure Chad Dawson would like a piece of Roy just to add that name to his list.
    U cant say that half way through an essay!!

    Anyway, theres enough 'Jones vs Calzaghe' threads.

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    • The Noose
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      #52
      Strange how most people think he was shot after Ruiz, but i dont remember people saying that at the time.

      He wasnt as good when he fought Tarver, but Tarver gave him a tough fight and Jones still won.

      Hardly shot.

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      • Truth
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        #53
        I've said this time and time again in this thread. there must have been something wrong with him at age 35. why? he would have never been dominated by Glen Johnson in his prime.

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          #54
          Originally posted by Bob Anomaly
          Strange how most people think he was shot after Ruiz, but i dont remember people saying that at the time.

          He wasnt as good when he fought Tarver, but Tarver gave him a tough fight and Jones still won.

          Hardly shot.
          yea shot, he barely won that

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          • wmute
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            #55
            I think Jones was peak until like 98.

            He showed slipping against Woods imo, but was still so ahead of everyone else, that no one noticed.

            In the 1st Tarver fight, he still had all the instinct with him. Same in Tarver 2.

            By the Johnson fight he was completely shot.

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            • Chase8400
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              #56
              Originally posted by Easy-E
              I disagree, because Tarver himself called it the perfect punch, and questioned whether he would be able to do it again.
              It was a lunging left hook that Tarver threw with his EYES CLOSED, that Roy just never saw coming.
              Even Antionio knows he got lucky.
              I can see your point, but here is mine. Jones in his prime does not get hit by that lucky punch. He was faded in the first Tarver fight and it was apparent. Had you ever see Jones sit on the ropes and let another fighter hit him at will, while only covering up and not moving? His legs were gone and his punches were still fast and accurate but lacked the pulverizing snap they once had. Roy Jones was done before Tarver I and has gotten slightly more faded since. I don't think he is shot, but nowhere what he once was prior to heavyweight and can no longer beat the Johnson's or Calzaghe's that still have every bit as much as they had while they were prime. Jones is just a special breed and his style required 100% coordination of the mind and body to be effective. Jones' body got old and that should not be held against him. We know he would handle Tarver, Calzaghe and Glenn Johnson with ease while he was still all present.

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              • Truth
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                #57
                Originally posted by wmute
                I think Jones was peak until like 98.

                He showed slipping against Woods imo, but was still so ahead of everyone else, that no one noticed.

                In the 1st Tarver fight, he still had all the instinct with him. Same in Tarver 2.

                By the Johnson fight he was completely shot.
                He was still crazy good in 99 though.

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                • crillz
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Bob Anomaly
                  U cant say that half way through an essay!!

                  Anyway, theres enough 'Jones vs Calzaghe' threads.
                  damn fam thas all you could speak on regarding that whole post? why even quote me and type that if you ain't just trying to be an *******?

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                  • wmute
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by RJJ The Truth
                    He was still crazy good in 99 though.
                    Hmmm you tihnking Reggie Johnson his last peak performance? I actually might agree with that. It's just that Griffin 2 + Virgil Hill were unbelievable. I would say that stopping a fighter of Hill caliber with one bodyshot ranks among the most incredible things I have seen in a ring.

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                    • Chase8400
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                      #60
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                      Originally posted by Bob Anomaly
                      Strange how most people think he was shot after Ruiz, but i dont remember people saying that at the time.

                      He wasnt as good when he fought Tarver, but Tarver gave him a tough fight and Jones still won.

                      Hardly shot.
                      Most of us with some common sense know where you are going with this thread. You want to blend in the Calzaghe win and tie it back to Jones being something close to his best and the fact is that this can be no farther from the truth. Jones beats Calzaghe any time prior to moving up to heavyweight. Sure I do not think Jones is shot because he can still do allot of good things. He managed to beat Tarver in the first fight, but it was obvious how much different he fought as opposed to the move to heavyweight. Look up at the poll results if you think I'm talking out of my ass. I know 50+% of the people in this forum who voted are not Rjj nutthuggers. When it comes down to it, he's still fast , still very smart and apparently can still go the distance with a P4P ranked fighter and drop them, but that does not mean he is anything near what he once was. As much as you don't like to admitt it, Joe beat a faded Roy Jones and was nowhere near confident enough to come over here to fight him prior to 2004's knockouts. Calzaghe said it himself in an interview in 2003, so get the **** over it.

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