For the ones who think calzaghe beats a prime RJJR...

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

I'm tired of hearing people say that "Roy Jones never faced anyone like Joe Calzaghe in his prime."

So...****ing...what?

Who the **** did Joe Calzaghe face when he was younger that was anything like Roy Jones?

David Starie?

Charles Brewer?

Omar Sheika?

GTFOH.

I think Jones did face a few maybe not exactly like Calzaghe but that have some credentials them selves, Jones fought Hopkins when Hopkins was 27, Jones fought James Toney is not a slouch by any means. Truth be told Joe Calzaghe is a great fighter and we will never know what would have happened in their primes if they fought then. We can only speculate.That being said I have to go with Jones on the strengtrh of speed reflexes and power advantage...Lefty

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I think Jones did face a few maybe not exactly like Calzaghe but that have some credentials them selves, Jones fought Hopkins when Hopkins was 27, Jones fought James Toney is not a slouch by any means. Truth be told Joe Calzaghe is a great fighter and we will never know what would have happened in their primes if they fought then. We can only speculate.That being said I have to go with Jones on the strengtrh of speed reflexes and power advantage...Lefty

True.

Jones' opposition in his prime makes Calzaghe's opposition look like camp cupcake. So it's absolutely ludicrous for people to go on about how "Roy Jones never fought Calzaghe in his prime" when Calzaghe barely fought anyone in his!

And most of these people know it. They want to act like Calzaghe's now some top 50 fighter or something...give me a break. In 10 years this fight will be remembered as the night the boxing world said goodbye to Roy Jones, not the night Joe solidified his legacy. And certainly not the night he proved he could beat a prime RJJ.

[Roger Mellie]

True.

Jones' opposition in his prime makes Calzaghe's opposition look like camp cupcake. So it's absolutely ludicrous for people to go on about how "Roy Jones never fought Calzaghe in his prime" when Calzaghe barely fought anyone in his!

And most of these people know it. They want to act like Calzaghe's now some top 50 fighter or something...give me a break. In 10 years this fight will be remembered as the night the boxing world said goodbye to Roy Jones, not the night Joe solidified his legacy. And certainly not the night he proved he could beat a prime RJJ.

Thats too simplistic a view to take.I personally think Jones would have beaten Joe 10 years ago,but how can any of us be certain?You gotta realise that promoters and sanctioning bodies protect their interests way before a fighters,and especially the fans who want to see the best fight the best.America has been a pretty hard place for british fighters or indeed any fighter from outside its borders to get a fight unless they are willing to up sticks and move to the states.and why the **** should they? World champion should mean World champion.Its incorrect to keep blaming the fighters.Im sure Joe Calzaghe would rather have earnt 2mil fighting RJJ 10 years ago instead of the hundred grand he got for the woodhall fight.If there was one champ per division then this argument would have been settled years ago.

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Thats too simplistic a view to take.I personally think Jones would have beaten Joe 10 years ago,but how can any of us be certain?You gotta realise that promoters and sanctioning bodies protect their interests way before a fighters,and especially the fans who want to see the best fight the best.America has been a pretty hard place for british fighters or indeed any fighter from outside its borders to get a fight unless they are willing to up sticks and move to the states.and why the **** should they? World champion should mean World champion.Its incorrect to keep blaming the fighters.Im sure Joe Calzaghe would rather have earnt 2mil fighting RJJ 10 years ago instead of the hundred grand he got for the woodhall fight.If there was one champ per division then this argument would have been settled years ago.

Would've, should've...didn't.

Lennox Lewis came here.

Ricky Hatton came here.

Prince Naseem Hamed came here.

And finally, no one is blaming Calzaghe. The fight's didn't happen when they should've and it doesn't really matter whose fault it was. We'll just have to judge based on what the records say. And the records say that in Joe Calzaghe's prime (since his fans SWEAR up and down that he's gotten worse and isn't the same) that the best fighter he fought was an old Eubank? Brewer? Sheika? Exactly. So spare us the "Roy Jones never faced anyone like Joe in his prime" and ask yourself who Joe beat in his prime in the first place.

[Roger Mellie]

Would've, should've...didn't.

Lennox Lewis came here.

Ricky Hatton came here.

Prince Naseem Hamed came here.

And finally, no one is blaming Calzaghe. The fight's didn't happen when they should've and it doesn't really matter whose fault it was. We'll just have to judge based on what the records say. And the records say that in Joe Calzaghe's prime (since his fans SWEAR up and down that he's gotten worse and isn't the same) that the best fighter he fought was an old Eubank? Brewer? Sheika? Exactly. So spare us the "Roy Jones never faced anyone like Joe in his prime" and ask yourself who Joe beat in his prime in the first place.

At no point did I say roy never faced anyone like joe in his prime,although that is true.Joes best years have been the last four.and that list of fighters.
1.Lewis was a heavyweight and olympic gold medallist beating americas number 1 in rid**** bowe,so he was never gonna have any trouble getting a fight.

2.Hamed was the ultimate showman,and possibly the most ludicrously over the top mouthpiece since Ali.Again no problem there america wanted to see him get his big mouth shut(along with most of us) great entertainer tho

3.Hatton only started getting big fights in the states four years ago,and that was courtesy of stopping Tszu.the man who made Zab do the chicken dance.

Dont mind debating the point,but at least be objective.

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At no point did I say roy never faced anyone like joe in his prime,although that is true.Joes best years have been the last four.and that list of fighters.

This is obvious to most of us. But his fans - certainly not fans of the sport - like to pretend that's not the case so they can claim he's past his prime like Jones.

1.Lewis was a heavyweight and olympic gold medallist beating americas number 1 in rid**** bowe,so he was never gonna have any trouble getting a fight.

And you're asking me to be objective? Lennox Lewis didn't just walk into a title shot. He earned it by fighting everyone he had to.

2.Hamed was the ultimate showman,and possibly the most ludicrously over the top mouthpiece since Ali.Again no problem there america wanted to see him get his big mouth shut(along with most of us) great entertainer tho

Hamed was a major star in the UK but NOT one in the US until he signed a contract with HBO.

3.Hatton only started getting big fights in the states four years ago,and that was courtesy of stopping Tszu.the man who made Zab do the chicken dance.

You mean Hatton earned his props by beating the consensus best in his division? Agreed. And then he came to the US, tested the waters, came back and got himself a marketable fight...all that BEFORE challenging the world's best. THAT'S how you do it. Thank God he didn't let his promoter get in the way.

Why couldn't Calzaghe do it? Oh yea, that's right. Everyone was scared and the American Embassy blocked him from coming.

Anyway...I don't really care why the fights didn't happen. They didn't.

You done making excuses, Mr. "Be Objective?"

[THE REED]

True.

Jones' opposition in his prime makes Calzaghe's opposition look like camp cupcake. So it's absolutely ludicrous for people to go on about how "Roy Jones never fought Calzaghe in his prime" when Calzaghe barely fought anyone in his!

And most of these people know it. They want to act like Calzaghe's now some top 50 fighter or something...give me a break. In 10 years this fight will be remembered as the night the boxing world said goodbye to Roy Jones, not the night Joe solidified his legacy. And certainly not the night he proved he could beat a prime RJJ.

camp cupcake

[streak12]

The reasons why Calzaghe never came to the states is because after winning his WBO title, he looked very very **** in his few defences after, against Rick Thornberry & David Starie for example. Who was going to pay big money for him to fight Jones Jr, or Toney etc? His promotor (on the world scene) wasn't much good either, and Calzaghe himself got a reputation for being injury-prone, and happy enough beating up on his WBO mandatories (and not even looking too great in doing that). It took him from 1997 - 2006 to fight Lacy, the IBF champion. His promotor couldn't even or didn;t even try to unify the division. All this 'peak Jones and Hopkins dodging him' is all bull****.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Would've, should've...didn't.

Lennox Lewis came here.

Ricky Hatton came here.

Prince Naseem Hamed came here.

And finally, no one is blaming Calzaghe. The fight's didn't happen when they should've and it doesn't really matter whose fault it was. We'll just have to judge based on what the records say. And the records say that in Joe Calzaghe's prime (since his fans SWEAR up and down that he's gotten worse and isn't the same) that the best fighter he fought was an old Eubank? Brewer? Sheika? Exactly. So spare us the "Roy Jones never faced anyone like Joe in his prime" and ask yourself who Joe beat in his prime in the first place.

I've encountered quite a few heads here who place blame solely on Joe.

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I've encountered quite a few heads here who place blame solely on Joe.

I don't blame Joe. And I don't care. Boxing is bigger than the fighters (promoters, networks, etc.). But the point is, they didn't happen. So when we look at their primes we see Joe's opposition is a few legs behind Roy's. Facts are facts.