Insider Notebook: Mosley Agrees, Margarito Has Disappeared

[letsgobrady]

cotto and marg are both PRican and Mexican favorites... if they can't sell their ppv's without HBO promoting it with a 24/7 series or something then they are failures.

plus it doesn't help that they don't speak english.

cotto speaks english a bit but margarito just chooses not to

[ANDROID_DOES]

I don't doubt the passion of Mexican fans, but the mainstream draw was all Cotto. It's just because of the way their careers have gone, Cotto is just a bigger mainstream star. Before the Marg/Cotto fight, Cotto was the bigger draw. It'll be closer now, but I still don't know if Marg is going to be as big of a draw.

Margarito/Judah or Margarito/Mosley wouldn't have even been PPV's.

sorry buddy but cotto is well known on the west coast, hence him fighting in vegas to get introduced to this region of the states. Don't know what factor you want to use to decide who was the draw but im sure more mexicans the pr's bought the ppv and i can tell you for a fact the mgm grand was about 8-2 pro margarito.

[savorduhflavor]

sorry buddy but cotto is well known on the west coast, hence him fighting in vegas to get introduced to this region of the states. Don't know what factor you want to use to decide who was the draw but im sure more mexicans the pr's bought the ppv and i can tell you for a fact the mgm grand was about 8-2 pro margarito.

I don't really know what your point is. Your saying Cotto is well known in the west, but after that your point contradicts that. I'm assuming you meant to say he isn't, but I'm not sure.

But even if more Mexicans bought the ppv than Puerto Ricans(which who knows), the bulk of the buys that didn't come from PR's or Mexicans were most likely drawn by either Cotto or Arum's insane billing of the fight. I don't really see how you don't see my point....This was Margarito's first headlining PPV and Cotto's 3rd. That alone just shows who's more of a draw to the mainstream audience. The condescending buddy comment wasn't needed either.

[ANDROID_DOES]

I don't really know what your point is. Your saying Cotto is well known in the west, but after that your point contradicts that. I'm assuming you meant to say he isn't, but I'm not sure.

But even if more Mexicans bought the ppv than Puerto Ricans(which who knows), the bulk of the buys that didn't come from PR's or Mexicans were most likely drawn by either Cotto or Arum's insane billing of the fight. I don't really see how you don't see my point....This was Margarito's first headlining PPV and Cotto's 3rd. That alone just shows who's more of a draw to the mainstream audience. The condescending buddy comment wasn't needed either.

Yes i meant isn't. Cotto NEVER headlined a show in vegas. Cotto was always an east coast guy fighting in new york. His popularity out here is not as big as you think it is as the west coast media rarely cover east coast events. That's why arum had the fight in vegas to get cotto more fans out here on the west. You forget the west is filled of hispanics thus margarito being the bigger draw in las vegas.

[savorduhflavor]

Yes i meant isn't. Cotto NEVER headlined a show in vegas. Cotto was always an east coast guy fighting in new york. His popularity out here is not as big as you think it is as the west coast media rarely cover east coast events. That's why arum had the fight in vegas to get cotto more fans out here on the west. You forget the west is filled of hispanics thus margarito being the bigger draw in las vegas.

He may be bigger in that part of the country, but overall it's pretty clear that Cotto is a bigger mainstream draw.

And obviously the MGM was in Margarito's favor because of where it was. But I don't see what that has to do with the PPV buys. If it was in MSG it would have been just as much in favor of Cotto.

Ask casual fans who they've heard of and more people will say Cotto than Margarito, across the nation. I'm not trying to slight Tony in any way, I just think this particular issue is pretty clear.

[KJB]

Do people remember Margarito shooting his mouth off about how badly he was gonna beat Shane, and retire him etc. after Shane initially declined the fight? This is a fight Margarito wants, I am sure if Arum has reviewed the numbers and agreed Margarito will do so in turn.

[dondi330]

Been down this road.

He may be bigger in that part of the country, but overall it's pretty clear that Cotto is a bigger mainstream draw.

And obviously the MGM was in Margarito's favor because of where it was. But I don't see what that has to do with the PPV buys. If it was in MSG it would have been just as much in favor of Cotto.

Ask casual fans who they've heard of and more people will say Cotto than Margarito, across the nation. I'm not trying to slight Tony in any way, I just think this particular issue is pretty clear.

Savor ...forget it..i have been down this road with this guy and he is stuck on who he loves more then the facts.

[edgarg]

Let's be factual and at least,,reasonable

Many today have written everything about Mosely and Margatrito that can or needs to be 3rtitten, so I'll zoom in on a little noticed piece of BUMPFH, otherwise...crap. written about Angelo Dundee, who's had as much qwritten abvout him as 3 Moselys and Margarito's together. It doesn't meannthat it was all accurate, not by a long shot, but it made nice readfing, and has slipped into the realms of Boxing Legends.

Like the adding to a torn Ali glove, to delay so that he could recover from having been knocked down by our "Ennerey Cooper [now a "Sir", in other words, knighted] The facts are that the KD was just at the round's end, Ali got up unassisted. The glove was slightly split, enough to warrant a replacement, which was close at hand, and if you have the film, you can time the glove change, and there was no time lost. It was done during the minute rest.

All the same Angelo has had the reputationmon firmer ground since he trained many Champions, some of them great, and he comes from the days when the Mob controlled fighters, managers, trainers Arenas etc.etc. His brother Chris was a well known and, reputedly "connected" Promoter. So he's been soaked in boxing in some form or other most of his long life.

Yet...I've ALWAYS believed that it is the quality, both INNER and OUTER, of FIGHTERS themselves, and the heights to which they reach, who give the trainers that aura, and when the fighters retire, if the trainers DON'T have another star to train, they become just like any othe trainer, out of the news, ..... just trainers.

I also believe, since he really is not an active trainer any more, due to his advanced age, and hasn't been, except for highly publicised single events for a long time, that we need to take everything he says about Oscar a with a grimace-making large pinch of salt. As much as Oscar, in fact. Angelo is being paid...something anyway, for just being there. It's an obvious PUBLICITY gimmick, with no practical boxing value to Oscar, who really doesnt need a trainer nor "strategist" at all at this stage of his career. Like most other, savvy, experienced fighters.

For such a great trainer, and later recognised expert, I'm surprised that he has NEVER....I mean NEVER seen the GOLDEN BALLS train before. ..Or so he says. Again, I am surprised.

[ANDROID_DOES]

He may be bigger in that part of the country, but overall it's pretty clear that Cotto is a bigger mainstream draw.

And obviously the MGM was in Margarito's favor because of where it was. But I don't see what that has to do with the PPV buys. If it was in MSG it would have been just as much in favor of Cotto.

Ask casual fans who they've heard of and more people will say Cotto than Margarito, across the nation. I'm not trying to slight Tony in any way, I just think this particular issue is pretty clear.

you're not getting what the other poster was telling you. Cotto isn't a big draw on the west!! What's hard to understand about that. THat's the reason bob wanted the fight in vegas was to introduce cotto to the west coast and open up his fan base instead of just being this new york fighter.

[edgarg]

A little more nonsense from 0Edgar about other nonsense.

Just one more little "Golden Balls" piece of "lick"-(ourice) from Angelo......

"As soon as I came into this gym I said that someone here knows something about boxing............"

..............Weeellll where the hell would you hear a more cogent and newsmaking piece of drek than THIS.......

Maybe in one of the supermarket checkout rubbishy stack of papers or magazines.

I'm really disappointed, surely a man of Angelo Dundee's enormous boxing experience, must have said something far more interesting, inteligent and true..........Surely?? ... !!