Calzaghe-Hopkins and Lennox-Vitali

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  • Clegg
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    Calzaghe-Hopkins and Lennox-Vitali

    Calzaghe beat Hopkins by a split decision. Most fans and journalists scored the fight for Calzaghe, but a significant minority scored it for Hopkins.

    Lewis beat Vitali on cuts. Virtually everyone agrees that the cut was bad enough to warrant a stoppage, but that Vitali was winning the fight at the time it was stopped.

    In my opinion the win over Hopkins is worth more. The fight went 12 rounds and at the end of it, most people felt that Calzaghe had proven himself the better man on the night. With Lennox's win, a cut stopped us from finding out who the better man on the night was. A victory on cuts is not worthless, and it takes ability to work a cut in order to make it bad enough to force a stoppage, however it is not the way to settle who better fighter is IMO, hence why such fights often lead to rematches.

    The reason I bring it up is that a lot of people have suddenly started saying that Calzaghe's resume should suffer if he does not fight Hopkins again. This is despite the fact that hardly anyone was calling for the rematch in the months after the fight.

    Those who watched boxing at the time will know that everyone wanted to see LL-VK 2 as soon as possible, with the only consideration being how long it would take for the cut to heal.

    Before anyone assumes otherwise, my point is not that Calzaghe should be rated above Lewis, I am only comparing these two fights.
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    Calzaghe beating Hopkins
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    Lewis beating Klitschko
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  • VirusTI
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    #2
    I think you should put a 4th option, "each win means almost nothing"
    Claz didnt really beat Hopkins, and Lennox was going to get KTFO in a couple of rounds and was loosing on all scorecards(as long as vitali's eye didnt fall out)

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    • Chase8400
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      #3
      In my opinion, these two fights have nothing in common and should not come close to being in a comparison with one another.

      Sorry Clegg.

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        #4
        Well it all depends, The cut that happen was because of the punches lewis landed on vitali so technically he stopped him.

        I personally would vote for the Calzaghe win over hopkins because B-hop is a much better opponent than Vitali would ever be .

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        • Clegg
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          #5
          Originally posted by VirusTI
          I think you should put a 4th option, "each win means almost nothing"
          Claz didnt really beat Hopkins, and Lennox was going to get KTFO in a couple of rounds and was loosing on all scorecards(as long as vitali's eye didnt fall out)
          No, Calzaghe did beat Hopkins, and we don't know what would've happened if Vitali had been allowed to go on.

          Besides, if each win is worth almost nothing then they are still worth the same as each other, so that would be option 3.

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            #6
            Originally posted by raycorey
            Well it all depends, The cut that happen was because of the punches lewis landed on vitali so technically he stopped him.

            I personally would vote for the Calzaghe win over hopkins because B-hop is a much better opponent than Vitali would ever be .
            I'm just trying to guess what your criteria for being "a better opponent" is?

            You do know that Vitali has never been losing at the end of a professional prize fight , right?

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            • larryx
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              #7
              neither win means a thing...neither fighter proved ****

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              • Clegg
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                #8
                Originally posted by larryx
                neither win means a thing...neither fighter proved ****
                How do you work that one out?

                I thought Tarver proved something in his first fight with Roy Jones, despite not doing enough for the win. I guess you think people need to win on your scorecard to have proved something?

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                • larryx
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Clegg
                  How do you work that one out?

                  I thought Tarver proved something in his first fight with Roy Jones, despite not doing enough for the win. I guess you think people need to win on your scorecard to have proved something?
                  tarver was fighting the #1 p4p fighter in the world....joe was fighting a 43 year old and lewis was getting his ass beat

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                  • The Hammer
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                    #10
                    Many say Vitali is a Euro bum, and the same people call Hopkins an all-time great.

                    So wouldn't a win over an ATG be better?

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