Gotta Love All The Accountants We Have In Here...

[S A M U R A I]

The reason Jones and Hopkins would have been difficult for Calzaghe to negotiate with when they were in there primes is that Calzaghe would not have been legitimately entitled to more than 30% of the purse. THose guys were superstars back then whilst Joe was a guy with one SMW title who fought B+ fighters in Wales. While Hopkins was breaking records for consecutive MW defences and Jones was the sport's p4p #1 fighter Joe was a relative nobody.

And the reason Joe did not fight either of those guys in their primes, above all other factors, is that he knows he could not have beaten them.

I am no Joe hater and I have given him a tonne of respect for what he has achieved over a fantastic career, particularly the last 2 or 3 years, but that is just the way it is.

OK, so what about the Calzaghe-Hopkins fight in 2002?



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[Dan...]

OK, so what about the Calzaghe-Hopkins fight in 2002?

That is the problem with all these supposed negotiations, it is all generally just rumour thrown around by anyone who cares to throw it.

Look, this is my point. I don't mind if people just want to say nobody is to blame for Joe not fighting Roy and BHop earlier in their careers. That is fine with me.

What I find a little ridiculous is when ppl claim that those guys, and in particular Roy, were "ducking" Joe or that "they were too hard to negotiate with". That is rubbish in my view. Joe's profile in the late 90s early 00s did not even begin to compare with Roy's or Hopkins'. Basically, I am of the view that if anyone is to blame for those fights not coming off, and I am not saying that anyone is, it should be Joe. I can't remember him calling them out, saying he would go to the States, accept less money, etc. to get them in there which, in his position is what he would have needed to do. Just like Dawson is right now.

[S A M U R A I]

That is the problem with all these supposed negotiations, it is all generally just rumour thrown around by anyone who cares to throw it.

Look, this is my point. I don't mind if people just want to say nobody is to blame for Joe not fighting Roy and BHop earlier in their careers. That is fine with me.

What I find a little ridiculous is when ppl claim that those guys, and in particular Roy, were "ducking" Joe or that "they were too hard to negotiate with". That is rubbish in my view. Joe's profile in the late 90s early 00s did not even begin to compare with Roy's or Hopkins'. Basically, I am of the view that if anyone is to blame for those fights not coming off, and I am not saying that anyone is, it should be Joe. I can't remember him calling them out, saying he would go to the States, accept less money, etc. to get them in there which, in his position is what he would have needed to do. Just like Dawson is right now.

I think it's much more than a rumor. Warren has stated numerous times about Hopkins backing out of the deal, so has Joe, and not once have I seen anything from Bernard to dispute it their claims. Also, Joe has called Hopkins out (before their fight was arranged) way back in 2001 or 2002. I think it's the Brewer fight (May 2002). See the post-fight interview.



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[egreezy]

Finally people talking with some sense in this thread. If you believe believe Dawson doesn't deserve a shot, add more credibility to Joe's resume, Joe is too old, Chad is too young, this fight would not sell out in Wales, HBO would not pick it up, Hopkins and Johnson rematches are the fights to be made instead, think Pavlik's hype should be reason for this not happening, and that this is not one of the best fights to be made in boxing you..... somebody finish my run-on sentence

[luv3s2sp00g3]

Going through multiple threads, I have seen about 500 posts regarding "Dawson does not bring enough money to the table."

This is why this sport is going down the tubes. What ever happened to the best available fighting each other? It is not like HBO and Setanta would not gobble up that fight in a heartbeat. The fight would make damn good money because of the significance of it being the best old fighter against the best young one.

Dawson is a fighter who has proved he can hang with any Lt. Heavyweight. He can be a stylistic nightmare for anyone, but also has some cracks in his armor when he takes his little breaks etc. This makes the fight intriguing.

Real boxing fans would want to see this fight. It may not be a superfight, but true fans of the sport would at least want to see it, instead of suddenly becoming accountants and looking for excuses as to why it should not.

The best available should always fight each other!!

If this was a perfect world Mayweather would have fought Cotto and Margarito already too. DLH would be fighting Marg instead of Pac, and Pac would be on a quest to clean out the lightweights.

As a Calzaghe fan, I'd want nothing more than for him to face Dawson. Win or lose I want to see that fight happen before he retires. Looks unlikely though, cos like it or not the truth is the risk is much greater than the reward. (just trying to be a realist).

[BennyST]

I would really like to see this fight. I think it would be a very interesting styles match-up for both guys. Dawson would be a very hard fight for Calzonie who, in my opinion, is really starting to show his age now. His hands are worse than they've ever been and his speed has slowed a lot. Hi angles are still ok, but his head movement and foot-speed has also slowed considerably which would make it a tough fight for him as Dawson still has those physical gifts in large amounts backed up by youth and hunger.

It could be a great fight if made, sadly I don't think it will as if any fight got made I think it would probably be a Hopkins rematch, but I do think Calzonie is falling short of his usual winning hunger these days, which could make him take Dawson as a light, last show fight and if that were the reason he lost the fight, it would indeed be a sad ending to a great career, which should have ended differently.

It would be an exciting fight to say the least though I think. Two guys with great speed, who can box very well and are also willing to fight. Calzaghe with the experience and Dawson with the size, youth and hunger edge. He may also even have the speed edge now, with Calzaghe slowing, and of course he would also have the power over Calzaghe, though I don't think that would be much of a factor in this fight. It would go to a decision.

If he does decide to have another fight, even though I imagine it would be against B-Hop, the possibility of Dawson willing to travel to Wales, if indeed he was telling the truth and not just using that as a publicity stunt, could be a big factor in him getting the fight as Calzaghe would probably love to have one last huge fight against an American star for an actual proper title in the LHW division. It would cap off an amazing career and really put all the ridiculous slander about him fighting only old washed up fighters to rest. Jones was washed up, while Hopkins was old but most definitely not washed up. Hell, Hopkins is still one of the greatest fighters alive and his skill level is probably beyond anyone else fighting today. All his other fights were against current champions, nonetheless, I imagine that it would probably shut up a few of the detractors, at least for a while.

Great fight, sadly I don't see it happening. It makes it a slight possibility if Dawson is really willing to travel to Wales for a big finale fight, but in truth I don't actually think he would be willing to travel over there. He just knows, as Jones did before him, that it gets people talking about him as a possible opponent that is very willing to fight.

[Ray*]

That is the problem with all these supposed negotiations, it is all generally just rumour thrown around by anyone who cares to throw it.

Look, this is my point. I don't mind if people just want to say nobody is to blame for Joe not fighting Roy and BHop earlier in their careers. That is fine with me.

What I find a little ridiculous is when ppl claim that those guys, and in particular Roy, were "ducking" Joe or that "they were too hard to negotiate with". That is rubbish in my view. Joe's profile in the late 90s early 00s did not even begin to compare with Roy's or Hopkins'. Basically, I am of the view that if anyone is to blame for those fights not coming off, and I am not saying that anyone is, it should be Joe. I can't remember him calling them out, saying he would go to the States, accept less money, etc. to get them in there which, in his position is what he would have needed to do. Just like Dawson is right now.

Trust me Joe wanted to fight them back then but he wanted to do it in the UK, Which isnt going to happen back then because RJJ,B-hop and the bigger names at the time were too big in terms of the commercial aspect and they didnt need to leave the states for Joe who to be honest was making more money fighting average fighter over here.

Joe would have to take short money to go over to the states to take on people like RJJ which isnt going to happen under frank warren.

People like Clinton woods was able to fight RJJ, Glen johnson because he didnt really have a big fanbase in the UK so he doesnt really make that much money for a fight here, But Calzaghe,Hatton Naz or Khan never need to leave the UK because they basically make more money fighting here.

[Ray*]

If this was a perfect world Mayweather would have fought Cotto and Margarito already too. DLH would be fighting Marg instead of Pac, and Pac would be on a quest to clean out the lightweights.

As a Calzaghe fan, I'd want nothing more than for him to face Dawson. Win or lose I want to see that fight happen before he retires. Looks unlikely though, cos like it or not the truth is the risk is much greater than the reward. (just trying to be a realist).

Well Mayweather gets critise the most TBH, The thing is When you're at the top then people would throw names at you so joe isnt any different, A dawson fight would bring a lot of money no matter where the fight is staged but if joe wins it then people would still somehow discredit the win...Thats one thing i resent about boxing.