what was wrong with Kelly Pavlik ??

[Smokeythebear]

I think it's very important for pavlik to get back in the ring asap and take care of business. He is not as bad as he looked that night whether it be a combination of the sickness, weight and bhop being too slick he still can do some good work at 160 particularly abraham down the line would be a great fight.

[βetamax]

dude we are talking about round 1,2 aswell

I don't really see how rounds 1-2 were so much different from the middle or late rounds.

[Smokeythebear]

yeah I defintely conceed that. I will say though he needs to dump jack loew and get a real trainer that can really help him make moves in his career.

[Dynamite Kid]

I don't really see how rounds 1-2 were so much different from the middle or late rounds.

commonsense should tell you,you are fresher earlier in a fight and you are more likely to throw punches when you are fresher

[Dynamite Kid]

yeah I defintely conceed that. I will say though he needs to dump jack loew and get a real trainer that can really help him make moves in his career.

yeah that guy has run his coarse

talking about knocking B Hop out very foolish

[BG_Knocc_Out]

That happened to me on my first loss man. That's why I can feel what he went through on his first loss. I really don't know what happened to me either. I think it has something to do with being very unfocused, 'cause when it happened to me, everytime I would get hit I would be less and less focused.

[S A M U R A I]

if you think Pavlik looked 100 % then i dont think there is any point talking about it anymore

He looked 100% outclassed. I don't see anything else that makes him look any different from normal. Just watched the fight again, btw. But hey, you don't need to answer my posts if I'm annoying you. It's all good.



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[βetamax]

commonsense should tell you,you are fresher earlier in a fight and you are more likely to throw punches when you are fresher

Generally during these types of discussions unless otherwise specified we're referring to the fighters OVERALL performance. Unless I missed it I don't see anywhere in this conversation where we're only discussing rounds 1-2. The middle rounds are fairly representative of the entire fight.

[deanrw]

The problem with Pavlik was he was full of energy, but kept trying to react to what hopkins was doing. It was almost like he was the one who tried to be the counter puncher, like he did against Lockett. Hopkins kept Pavlik reacting all night long.

The problem was Hopkins would jump out as soon as he landed, and left Pavlik in no mans land. He had nothing to react to and could not pull the trigger.

I sum it up to just ****ty preparation on Pavlik's end, coupled with great preparation on Hopkins.

One misstep by Hopkins early could have changed the course of the fight, but Hopkins stuck to his game precisely and never let Pavlik find a rhythm.

This may never happen to Pavlik again, or it could be his real achilles heel. Fighters do have off nights though just like everyone else and can make another fighter look spectacular. Was Hopkins spectacular or did Pav just help him look that way? If Pavlik could have given Hopkins something to think about, Hops could have gassed early and the fight may have turned out much different.

Sometimes a fighter can go into a fight and just does not have it in them that night. We will know in time if Pavlik suffered that fate, or if he just is not competative on the highest level.

[damian5000]

It's simple.

He got exposed.