A "W" for Roy Jones Jr. is Great, where a "W" for Joe Calzaghe is good...but neither

[BennyST]

I don't know how you can say he's proven he's better than the majority out there right now.

Well, he did fight Hop who has just once again proven that he is a top P4P guy with skills that would beat anyone in and around LHW that I can think of. What say you about that win? Great, Good or just Ok? A win that was more decisive than any since his Jones loss 15 years ago when Hop was green.

[Silencers]

Well, he did fight Hop who has just once again proven that he is a top P4P guy with skills that would beat anyone in and around LHW that I can think of. What say you about that win? Great, Good or just Ok? A win that was more decisive than any since his Jones loss 15 years ago when Hop was green.

I meant right now I don't understand how he can be considered better than the majority, I meant where after his 3 losses back to back has he proven that he is better than the majority right now, I know he's better than the majority prime for prime but is he better than the majority today? I don't know because he hasn't proven it to me with the 3 wins he has had since his third fight with Tarver.

[Chr0nic]

Hop wasn't the No. 1 ranked MW at the time. Toney was, however, the number one P4P by most folks consensus. Jones has an underrated resume. Sure, the best fighters he fought, as in the big names that would have given him a serious run for his money and may have even beaten him, were over it by then, but he still fought a lot of young good fighters and even the old guys would have given all but the top fellas serious problems. Case in point: McCallum. Toney got him in his prime. Jones got him when he was done and done.

why does micheal buffer announce bernard as the number 1 ranked middleweight of the world and jones as the number 2 ranked?

[toluco]

well i think if calzaghe manages to ko rjj he will be credited as ending the career of jones and thats a great accomplishment specially in your last match
calzaghe really needs a ko he is gonna have the judges against him because he declared this will be his last fight tito vs oscar anyone?

[Pullcounter]

[B]A "W" for Roy Jones Jr. is Great, where a "W" for Joe Calzaghe is good...but neither man is facing a major loss in my opinion.

no, if calz loses is a major loss because rjj is shot.

Does Calzaghe deserve credit for beating Roy Jones Jr., absolutely. Why? Roy is still a pretty damn good fighter even at nearly 40 years old.

Calz gets no credit. rjj is shot. rjj couldn't even stop a retired and bloated tito.

But in the same way Lennox Lewis can't say he beat the best Mike Tyson, Joe Calzaghe/nor his fans should claim he beat the best Roy Jones Jr. Why? Its simply not true.

true.

Now if Roy beats Joe Calzaghe, one could also make the argument that Roy didn't beat the best Joe Calzaghe. Due to the fact that Joe Calzaghe is 36 years old, it is reasonable to say hes is also not in his prime.

true, but calz is closer to his prime than rjj and that's really saying something if a shot rjj can beat calz.

I agree, but a win for Jones(for obvious reasons), is still bigger than a win for Calzaghe. A loss for Joe, I would argue is not bad for Joe. Joe could say that Roy is one of the best ever and he managed to turn back the clock. A loss for Roy, he could simply say Joe at this stage was just too much for him to handle. So really there is no major loser on the 8th, there can only be a winner.

wrong. a loss by calzaghe will be devastating. if calzaghe doesn't dominate or has another close fight ala hopkins, it will definitely tarnish calzaghe even should he win. That's why Calz shouldn't be giving shot fighters these kinds of chances. Calz needs to win and look good winning.

If Joe beats Roy. Good for him. If Roy beats Joe, great for him only because he is such an underdog. The point is, whoever loses, should not have their legacy damaged too badly at all. And that while a win for Joe is good, a win for Roy is great due to each fighters being a different places in their careers. But when either fighter loses, neither should take a big legacy hit.

wrong. if rjj loses he wont' take a legacy hit because everyone knows he's shot. but if calz loses, or even has a close fight with a shot rjj, his legacy will take a hit because he hasn't done **** his whole career until the tail end.

[Pullcounter]

well i think if calzaghe manages to ko rjj he will be credited as ending the career of jones and thats a great accomplishment specially in your last match
calzaghe really needs a ko he is gonna have the judges against him because he declared this will be his last fight tito vs oscar anyone?

if calz KOs jones he shouldn't get any credit. rjj is shot and calz should be able to dominate and KO jones.

[boxasmash]

if calz KOs jones he shouldn't get any credit. rjj is shot and calz should be able to dominate and KO jones.

hey did it ever occur to you it's a matter of opinion dumb nuts?

different people have different views on things, who are you to decide who gets what credit?

[Pullcounter]

hey did it ever occur to you it's a matter of opinion dumb nuts?

different people have different views on things, who are you to decide who gets what credit?

hey did it ever occur to you that calling people dumb nuts is a matter of opinion?

different people have different views on things, who are you to decide who is a dumb nut?

[ACHlLLES]

If Calzaghe doesn't win, it ruins his legacy and almost everything he has achieved because boxing is a harsh sport like that.

[The Hulk]

Some great points.
Hulk agrees that a loss for Calzaghe would be pretty bad purely because Roy is revered and Calzaghe is fairly disliked.
It would allow the criticism of Cal's abilities whilst also lauding RJJs.
Very very unlikely to happen though.
Calzaghe has had a better career than Jones purely due to his consistancy. Jones in his prime was better but who did he prove it against?
This comes from Hulk who doesn't much like greasy, arrogant Welshman.

It's very hard to level a charge that either Calzaghe, Jones OR Hopkins ducked anyone. That's what makes their lack of top opposition acceptable.

Disagree? Give me names of anyone they ducked.