Kessler: Risk Can Reap Rewards…so Why Not Dawson?

[slicksouthpaw16]

People really need to do research. Kessler would not fight Miranda, so why would he move to light heavyweight and fight the best (IMO) light heavyweight champion? This fight will not happen anytime soon. Kessler is stuck being controlled by the WBA and Dawson is handling business at light heavyweight, and it would be horrible management if they matched this fight for Kessler, because another loss would really lower his stock. Also, for the person who brought up catch weight, that's not going to happen either. Chad has stated on many occasions that he is not going below 175 and Garry Shaw ( Dawson's promoter) has confirmed it.

As for the fight, Dawson would beat Kessler in a lot of ways. Not only could he use his superior hand speed and raw skills to out box him, but he could also knock him out with body damage. The only thing that makes this fight even is Dawson's questionable chin, because technically Chad is in another league. Not only would Kessler run into the same problems the way he did with Calzaghe( a slicker, more elusive better boxer that gave him lateral movement) but he would be dealing with a naturally bigger and taller boxer that could punch as well. I see a Dawson unanimous decision, and a late stoppage is not out of the question at all.

[slicksouthpaw16]

I also don't buy into Kessler not fighting Miranda because Miranda was too late. The Kessler/Miranda fight was definitely proposed way before Miranda/Abraham 2 was even being discussed. Miranda even stated that he gave Kessler all of the advantages and even home turf, and even still he wouldn't take the fight.

[BattlingNelson]

I also don't buy into Kessler not fighting Miranda because Miranda was too late. The Kessler/Miranda fight was definitely proposed way before Miranda/Abraham 2 was even being discussed. Miranda even stated that he gave Kessler all of the advantages and even home turf, and even still he wouldn't take the fight.

Do some research youself

There were 2 separate negotiations between Kessler and Miranda. The contract was ready the second time around and the WBA belt was likely to be on the line. Miranda however chose to fight AA instead. Still I think it was a bad management decison by Kessler to turn Miranda down the first time.

The catchweight is a proposition likely to be made by team Kessler to make the fight a non-title affair. The fight is only interesting if the 2 of them fail to get their respective first priority opponents.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Do some research youself

There were 2 separate negotiations between Kessler and Miranda. The contract was ready the second time around and the WBA belt was likely to be on the line. Miranda however chose to fight AA instead. Still I think it was a bad management decison by Kessler to turn Miranda down the first time.

The catchweight is a proposition likely to be made by team Kessler to make the fight a non-title affair. The fight is only interesting if the 2 of them fail to get their respective first priority opponents.

Miranda/Kessler was talked about WAY before Miranda/Abraham. Just check the dates. In fact, Miranda took the fight with Abraham because Kessler rejected( and he had no other top opponents to fight at that time) , and he wanted to avenge that controversial lost. Some people will say that Kessler just threw that out there so he wouldn't make himself look bad by the public. He wanted to part of Miranda at that time. That's when he fought someone named Sartison, a safe way to get the WBA titles without any problems. I'm not bashing Kessler and i am actually a BIG fan believe it or not, but his management needs some improvement. The ring magazine even stated it as well.

If the fight WAS to happen, Dawson will make Kessler come to light heavy. He is not going below 175, all you have to do is look at his frame. Hes huge!

[BattlingNelson]

Miranda/Kessler was talked about WAY before Miranda/Abraham. Just check the dates. In fact, Miranda took the fight with Abraham because Kessler rejected( and he had no other top opponents to fight at that time) , and he wanted to avenge that controversial lost. Some people will say that Kessler just threw that out there so he wouldn't make himself look bad by the public. He wanted to part of Miranda at that time. That's when he fought someone named Sartison, a safe way to get the WBA titles without any problems. I'm not bashing Kessler and i am actually a BIG fan believe it or not, but his management needs some improvement. The ring magazine even stated it as well.

If the fight WAS to happen, Dawson will make Kessler come to light heavy. He is not going below 175, all you have to do is look at his frame. Hes huge!

This is an excerpt from the site of Kessler's american agent M. Marley, so it obviously might have a little bias:

"Kessler's interests twice tried to make a USA TV bout against Edison Miranda and twice Miranda's promoter ran away from the deals. Miranda decided he would be better off fighting King Arthur Abraham on June 21 on Showtime as opposed to possibly getting destroyed by the Viking Warrior.

When HBO wanted Kessler-Miranda for June 21, Kessler even agreed to fight at the Hard Rock in Hollywood, Fl., home of Miranda's promoter, Seminole Warriors Boxing.

Again, Leon Margules tucked his tail between his legs and ran from Kessler"

Your claim that Kessler wanted no part of Miranda is simply not true.

[slicksouthpaw16]

This is an excerpt from the site of Kessler's american agent M. Marley, so it obviously might have a little bias:

"Kessler's interests twice tried to make a USA TV bout against Edison Miranda and twice Miranda's promoter ran away from the deals. Miranda decided he would be better off fighting King Arthur Abraham on June 21 on Showtime as opposed to possibly getting destroyed by the Viking Warrior.

When HBO wanted Kessler-Miranda for June 21, Kessler even agreed to fight at the Hard Rock in Hollywood, Fl., home of Miranda's promoter, Seminole Warriors Boxing.

Again, Leon Margules tucked his tail between his legs and ran from Kessler"

Your claim that Kessler wanted no part of Miranda is simply not true.

That is most likely a German based article, and you have already stated that it is biased so its moot now. Here is an article from a NON biased site that explains how Kessler backed out of the fight. Its from March of this year, which proves my point that this fight was talked about way before the Miranda/Abraham rematch.

It's been over a week now since Edison "Pantera" Miranda spoke about Mikkel Kessler declining on a fight of two superb super middleweights and Miranda is starting to get peeved. He spoke out today against Kessler, wanting to know where he's been hiding.

"I'm not surprised Kessler the Kitten disappeared when the big cat came around," said Miranda. "I wish him luck in his future endeavors as a model, actor, race car driver or video game player, because it's obvious that he's no longer a fighter."

The proposed Miranda-Kessler fight received significant offers from both HBO and Showtime until Kessler backed out of negotiations. He has not been heard from since.

"I want the Kessler fight, the fans want it, but he doesn't want to step up and fight the best," said Miranda. "He's just like the rest of the division. I think the only man left in this fight game besides me is Winky Wright. Hey Winky, since Pavlik turned you down and you need a dance partner. Call my promoter and let's do it."

[BattlingNelson]

And BTW. If you had bothered to read the thread you would have known that the Miranda topic had been discussed. See quotes below. Crold1 is Chris Rold the author of the article and one of the best scribes on Boxingscene.com

There were 2 separate negotiations. Miranda ditched Kessler for Abraham the second time. I've send you a PM of the details.

That is correct.

Kessler will never fight Dawson.......If he ducked Edison Miranda I HIGHLY DOUBT he'll be stepping in the ring with Chad.

HE didn't duck Miranda at all. His management waffled a bit and by the time they agreed to terms, Abraham had stepped in and scooped the fight. It was a negotiating tactic that backfired.

That's right. No question that Team Kessler treated the first round of negotiations bad. Especially when one considers that they managed to p!ss off showtime in the process.

[slicksouthpaw16]

And BTW. If you had bothered to read the thread you would have known that the Miranda topic had been discussed. See quotes below. Crold1 is Chris Rold the author of the article and one of the best scribes on Boxingscene.com

I read this entire thread, and i seen that neither of them bothered to post the facts and prove their points, something i always do when i am trying to get a point across. That is an article( the one i posted above) from fight news.com, which is a site that is not bias towards any fighter. They clearly stated that Kessler turned down negotiations even when Miranda offered him all of the advantages. I mean, what could Kessler's people be unhappy with? You have a ranked top 10 opponent that would be a great come back win, and you turn that down to fight a safe unheralded opponent that no one heard of. You should check out the ring magazine sometime. They stated that Kessler and Wright both have been making the wrong career decisions, and really saying the same things i am.

[BattlingNelson]

I read this entire thread, and i seen that neither of them bothered to post the facts and prove their points, something i always do when i am trying to get a point across. That is an article( the one i posted above) from fight news.com, which is a site that is not bias towards any fighter. They clearly stated that Kessler turned down negotiations even when Miranda offered him all of the advantages. I mean, what could Kessler's people be unhappy with? You have a ranked top 10 opponent that would be a great come back win, and you turn that down to fight a safe unheralded opponent that no one heard of. You should check out the ring magazine sometime. They stated that Kessler and Wright both have been making the wrong career decisions, and really saying the same things i am.

You are right. However the article is based on the first part of the negotiations. What Team Kessler was unhappy with the first time, never came to the publics knowledge, so the stalling on team Kessler's part is still a mystery to me.

It was the second time around that Miranda chose AA. Check Crold's remarks. They are spot on.

[Davros?]

I mean why would the no. 1 SMW want to fight a 40 year old who doesn't bring much to the table other than a decent showing against Dawson? The guy is best remembered in europe for being outclassed by Sven Ottke back in the day when Johnson was in his prime.

I bet Kessler would rather defend his title in Copenhagen for semi-big bucks than try his luck at 175 against Johnson.

You clearly know nothing about Glenn Johnson, he lost to Sven Ottke but since then he has changed his style he was not a pressure fighter back then he was a boxer, And to say that Johnson doesnt deserve to be in the same ring is very disrespectful to Johnson. Johnson Has beat Montell Griffin, Clinton Woods, Antonio Tarver, Roy Jones Jr, Thomas Ulrich. and many felt he beat Dawson. Kessler's best fight was a loss, The only reason why Kessler would not want to fight Johnson is because its to much risk for little reward. Give Johnson a break he was the World Light Heavyweight champ where as Kessler was just a paper belt holder. I have nothing against Kessler but there is no need to disrespect an excellent fighter.