calzaghe would never fight dawson

[Dirk Diggler UK]

That has nothing to do with the point. Ok, they weren't expected to. They still went on to do even more than the guy who was.

Um....yes it does. When you make a direct comparison, its usually advisable to make sure the situations are the same.

Being a hot favourite who's expected to destroy his opponent then get absolutely massacred for 12 rounds has a much more demoralising effect than just getting outboxed in a fight you're expected to lose.

[IMDAZED]

Um....yes it does. When you make a direct comparison, its usually advisable to make sure the situations are the same.

Being a hot favourite who's expected to destroy his opponent then get absolutely massacred for 12 rounds has a much more demoralising effect than just getting outboxed in a fight you're expected to lose.

Sure...except when you're actually good, you can come back. Just ask James Toney...or the slew of other fighters who were heavy favorites and got their ass kicked. Like Lennox Lewis.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Sure...except when you're actually good, you can come back. Just ask James Toney...or the slew of other fighters who were heavy favorites and got their ass kicked. Like Lennox Lewis.

Again.......comparing James Toney at that time to Jeff Lacy. Slightly farfetched.

Lewis got cracked on the chin by one shot. I dunno about you, but I think thats more complacency than anything else. Much easier to come back more focused and put things right. Whereas taking an absolute beating for 12 rounds is not.

[larryx]

Werent people saying this exact same thing about Pavlik a week ago?

I think Dawson is really good and Joe should fight him if he stays fighting. But if he wants to retire then fair enough. You'd think a Mayweather fan would understand that. Except Joe isnt retiring in his prime and ducking an entire division....

dirk i never said he needed to fight him..im saying maybe he's smart enought to know he should stay away from the guy

[toluco]

dawson its duking diaconou and glen johnson he has no business fighting the linear champ when he holds the mediocre ibf belt
calzaghe its a very big name and there is no one else for him to fight
everyone else is out of his league except maybe a hopkins rematch

[Dirk Diggler UK]

dirk i never said he needed to fight him..im saying maybe he's smart enought to know he should stay away from the guy

Just like Floyd was smart enough to stay away from any genuine welterweights?

Calzaghe's retiring at 37. Its hardly unheard of.

[IMDAZED]

Again.......comparing James Toney at that time to Jeff Lacy. Slightly farfetched.

Lewis got cracked on the chin by one shot. I dunno about you, but I think thats more complacency than anything else. Much easier to come back more focused and put things right. Whereas taking an absolute beating for 12 rounds is not.

Except it happened twice to Lewis.

I really don't know where you're going with this except the point is, if you're good - you're good.

The proof is in the pudding with Lacy. Kessler can still prove himself.

[GTL]

never said he'd ducking dawson..in another thread sum 1 said dawson is a nobody..hell a prime calzaghe wouldnt beat dawson...dawson is the real deal and will be the next p4p#1

i usually disgree with what you have to say, but ur on the money

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Except it happened twice to Lewis.

I really don't know where you're going with this except the point is, if you're good - you're good.

The proof is in the pudding with Lacy. Kessler can still prove himself.

Yeah he got lazy twice. He didnt come in and get battered for 12 rounds.

Where Im going is that I dont think we'll ever know how good Lacy could've been cos its hard to recover from such a terrible beating.

Whereas none of the names you listed had to recover from that.

[IMDAZED]

Yeah he got lazy twice. He didnt come in and get battered for 12 rounds.

He got lazy twice is your opinion, not fact.

Where Im going is that I dont think we'll ever know how good Lacy could've been cos its hard to recover from such a terrible beating.

Lacy's not that good to begin with which is why we'll never know how good he could've been.

Whereas none of the names you listed had to recover from that.

From bad beatings? Yeah, you're right. Clinton Woods and Julio Gonzalez didn't get beat up bad at all. Neither did James Toney.

Anyway, I'm done nitpicking so I can be involved in a cute argument. When you're good, you're good. When you're not as good...it shows.