Calzaghe is arrogant and overrated

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Interested to see what people say to come to Joe's defense. I think Calzaghe is a great talent and puts punches together better that most, but I just don't see greatness. Beating a aged Eubank, Lacy, Kessler, and Hopkins on an off night doesn't do it for me in terms of his legacy.

On his arrogance, if he (or Mayweather) thinks that retiring undefeated means you're an all time great, he's wrong. All I hear from him is that he's a legend killer. Does that mean he just picks on old men?

Sorry, I know a lot of people like him but I can't stand him. Go Roy!

**** yea.. Go ROY!

[fightnews55]

Calzaghe is a WBO protecting, Fake weight division, bum fighting fraud. How can he be an all time great? His division has only been around 18 years.

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We think a like. Only thing different is I picked Kessler to win for 3 reasons.

1. His youth/stamina.
2. He has good power and an ok chin.
3. I dislike everything about Joe and just wanted to pick someone other than him to win. Kessler was a start. I don't really respect Joe's style, power, or anything about him. It is very annoying to watch him throw "punches", let a lone speak like he's going down in history with Ali. Disappointing as that may seem, he will not be considered an ATG, yet he might be inducted into the HOF. I think in order to secure that, he MUST destroy Jones on Nov 8th. Anything else will diminish him, due to Roy being "over rated" "OLD" "washed up" "past his prime" "SHOT" so on and so on. Like reed has said, Roy has everything to gain while Joe has everything to lose. If Joe does not WIN by a uncontested UD or TKO/KO. It will hurt his career/"legacy". He is supposed to win and win REALLY REALLY big. Roy Jones should actually die in the ring. If he does not Joe's legacy will be in question.

We do think a like when talking about Lacy. I cant stand him or his style. I didn't watch Joe and Jeff fight until I heard about how bad Lacy lost. I was actually surprised to even hear Joe's named mentioned, for he was a nobody at that time but a euro fighter that decided to never leave home.

I also lost the very little respect I did have as soon as the words "Great American fighter" came out of Joe's mouth when he was speaking of Peter "the tv show star" Manfredo. That was sad and Pathetic. The fight was no different, along with that fat donut eating REF who should be banned from the wonderful sport of BOXING.

The Hopkins fight I think should have been a draw but I can see the reason for which the outcome became. Still he didn't gain any respect for such a performance against an "OLD" man that made him look like an Amateur that punched air all night to get a sad SD. Joe and Enzo had the face of defeat that night.

When Roy Jones Jr was on top he looked at Joe Calzaghe as Joe Calzaghe looks at Pavlik. FACT. Jones would have schooled Joe like Hop just did to Pav. Now a days is different story, it is actually a fair fight. I still pick Jones to school Joe in the mental aspect and if Jones comes out with legs and can go 12 rounds he has this fight.

Anyway you and I have the same views. I just talk more **** about Slapper Joe and his pathetic style. I gave him props for schooling The untested Robot Kessler and the win over Eubank and thats about it.

Everyone will be surprised when 24/7 comes out. Jones aint no joke. There will be a lot of calzaghe fans in doubt once they see Jones on the first episode. Thanks to TRUTH (I'm hooking you up) I'm actually going to go see Roy tomorrow. I got a few questions for him. (I'll share)

Good stuff, let me try to respond accordingly.

Calzaghe/Kessler

I just didn't like Kessler going into that fight, not personally, personally I think he's an ace guy. But I didn't see anybody on his record that Joe wouldn't handle with ease. And I agree with your point on respecting Joe's style, it's hard to respect. From a technical standpoint he does everything wrong, yet always wins, which is frustrating to a guy like me who knows he's not that good.

You're spot on about Manfredo as well. I'm a guy who takes this sport very seriously, and anybody who ends up in the big time thanks to a television show doesn't have my respect because they didn't earn it the right way. They got a "pass go, collect $200" card essentially.

But Joe acted as if Manfredo was some type of real credible guy, and ontop of it all, it was a hometown stoppage. Manfredo got hit with what? 6 of those 20 slaps? I mean I know he's dog****, but surely even he could stand up to that.

About Calzaghe/Hopkins, obviously I thought Joe lost that one. But the only real thing you need to know about that fight, aside from Hopkins dishing out the more effective blows and making Joe look foolish, is what was said in the corners before the bell to sound the beginning of the 12th and final round.

Hopkins corner was calm, cool, and collected. Roach told him he was winning. Big surprise right? That's not the interesting thing.

The interesting thing is that Joe's own father told him he was losing the fight, not just before the 12th, but EVERY time Joe went back to his corner. He was pushing him, shouting, telling him he was losing, etc... I've never seen Enzo act that way in the corner. He knows his son should've lost that night.

Great post man, make sure you tell Roy tomorrow we're counting on him over here to finally shatter the myth of this joke Calzaghe once and for all. We're all pulling for him here.

And get me an autograph!

[WESS]

Good stuff, let me try to respond accordingly.

Calzaghe/Kessler

I just didn't like Kessler going into that fight, not personally, personally I think he's an ace guy. But I didn't see anybody on his record that Joe wouldn't handle with ease. And I agree with your point on respecting Joe's style, it's hard to respect. From a technical standpoint he does everything wrong, yet always wins, which is frustrating to a guy like me who knows he's not that good.

You're spot on about Manfredo as well. I'm a guy who takes this sport very seriously, and anybody who ends up in the big time thanks to a television show doesn't have my respect because they didn't earn it the right way. They got a "pass go, collect $200" card essentially.

But Joe acted as if Manfredo was some type of real credible guy, and ontop of it all, it was a hometown stoppage. Manfredo got hit with what? 6 of those 20 slaps? I mean I know he's dog****, but surely even he could stand up to that.

About Calzaghe/Hopkins, obviously I thought Joe lost that one. But the only real thing you need to know about that fight, aside from Hopkins dishing out the more effective blows and making Joe look foolish, is what was said in the corners before the bell to sound the beginning of the 12th and final round.

Hopkins corner was calm, cool, and collected. Roach told him he was winning. Big surprise right? That's not the interesting thing.

The interesting thing is that Joe's own father told him he was losing the fight, not just before the 12th, but EVERY time Joe went back to his corner. He was pushing him, shouting, telling him he was losing, etc... I've never seen Enzo act that way in the corner. He knows his son should've lost that night.

Great post man, make sure you tell Roy tomorrow we're counting on him over here to finally shatter the myth of this joke Calzaghe once and for all. We're all pulling for him here.

And get me an autograph!

O I remember the Calzaghe's faces and the words coming from the corners. His fans claim it was motivation... must have been a new technique of motivation then. lol

In all, they (Enzo and Joe) both knew they had lost and wont entertain the thought of a rematch with Hop. Yet a REAL legend would face a man that he lost too or barley won a SD against. Or at least one would think.

Quick example: Jones fighting Tarver for the 2nd and 3rd time. That's what a REAL champion would do, PROVE yourself. As history speaks, Jones lost. BUT still got in the ring with the guy and didn't have too because "he already won".

Good posts by you as well. Like I said you and I think a like, I just do more **** talking. I get a kick out of his fans that argue, beg, plead and cry for people to respect there hero. My thoughts are, RESPECT is earned. NOT begged for!

Anyway Roy's coming back to Florida for the day to promote the fight. I'm going to go visit!

[BennyST]

Nah Joe is cool he just needs to not mention these words again in a interview

Kessler
Lacy
Underfeated
at the end of the day

Why not? They were the names everyone and his dog were mentioning to fight Calzaghe because everyone thought they could beat him and he proved everyone wrong. They were both young undefeated champs exactly the same as Pavlik was before the Hopkins fight. Before they fought him Kessler and Lacy were meant to beat him and they were both good champions who had beaten other good champs. Now, it seems everyone pretends they knew these guys were meant to be overrated or something.

"Oh yeah man, I always knew Kessler was overrated before he fought Joe. I mean who had he ever beaten. Mundine is a bum, Bayer was ****, Andrade is too green ... " etc etc, on and on.

Christ, now I'm even hearing everyone saying that Hopkins was just having an off night. Hopkins? An off night? Yeah, sure he was. He's just proven that he's still up there with the very best P4P'ers today and Calzonie still doesn't get credit because suddenly Hopkins was having an off night. It's absolutely hilarious.

"Hopkins is one of the best ever! He just pwned Pavlik at 43 years. The loss to Calzaghe one fight before after beating Wright and Tarver doesn't mean anything though 'cause he was just having an off night ya know?"

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Calzaghe is the best fighter with the worst trainer. I mean who gets to be an undefeated two division champ with a bum who plays guitar on the streets for a trainer.

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I was being a little harsh on Enzo, not a bum exactly, I was just trying to make a point. The guy read books to learn about boxing and makes Zaghe Zaghe. I got mad respect for Joe's talent and skills.

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I'm no Reid fan myself. I rate him somewhere between Simon Brown and Andy Kolle. But he deserved that nod, I rarely bring that one up myself because most Joe fans here, only started following him post-Kessler, or post-Lacy in some cases.

And you're right, he did get lucky.

I could write an entire book of my opinions on Calzaghe.

I'm not totally dumping on him though, I've given him some credit, but he is highly overrated by his admirers.

Every fighter is overrated by his fans and admirers, to at least some extent. You ought not to let that bother you so much. Hopkins fans are just as bad as Jones fan, just as bad as Klitchko fans, and all are every bit as bad as Calzaghe fans. The only difference between them is that some are more fashionable to nuthug than others, and will cause you less trouble here on this forum.

[BennyST]

Still he didn't gain any respect for such a performance against an "OLD" man that made him look like an Amateur that punched air all night to get a sad SD. Joe and Enzo had the face of defeat that night.

Jones would have schooled Joe like Hop just did to Pav.

So B-Hop just schooled the latest, young, middleweight champ, but he was an old man against Calzaghe? That post made you look like one of the Calzonie fans you so despise, but instead of hugging you're hating.

[WESS]

So B-Hop just schooled the latest, young, middleweight champ, but he was an old man against Calzaghe? That post made you look like one of the Calzonie fans you so despise, but instead of hugging you're hating.

No, I call HOP "old" because he IS old. I have always called him old. The Calzaghe, Pavlik and hopefully soon Jones fight. He will all be "OLD".