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[S A M U R A I]

Who would you consider the GOAT, if not Robinson?



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[Xyei]

This is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge post but most of it I've already written before so it didn't take that long to write...

Both fighters were undefeated for their first 39 fights, lets see how Robinson's resume looked like before he lost to LaMotta...


Robinson, who had fought as a featherweight in the amateurs, begins his pro career as a lightweight and steps up against 34-10 Oliver White in his 6th fight, former WW title contender 73-27 Joe Ghnouly in his 16th fight and former LW title contender Pete Lello in his 20th fight.
Robinson is now 20-0 and a top ranked lightweight.

Ray Robinson gets a fight against the lightweight champion Sammy Angott (the only man who holds a win over a prime Willie Pep), giving Angott the worst beating of his career.
The fight, however, was NOT for the title and Robinson decides to move up in weight to welterweight having already beaten the champion in the lightweight division.

Robinson defeats WW contender Maxie Shapiro (50-6) and wins a decision against the 42-0 undefeated, future welterweight world champion Marty Servo. Huge win for young Ray Robinson.

In his next two fights, Robinson twice defeats the veteran hall of famer and former WW champion Fritzie Zivic and becomes one of the only two men to ever stop him.

Robinson then defeats former rivals Servo and Angott in rematches, defeats 27-5 Rubio, 20-3 Shank and 30-4 Tony Motisi, still doesn't get the title shot.

Ray Robinson defeats the future middleweight champion Jake LaMotta who outweighs him by atleast 15 pounds.
This fight would start a long, great rivalry which ended when Robinson became the first man to legitimately stop LaMotta in their 6th fight.

By this point Robinson was 40-0 and already had a hall of fame resume.
Take in consideration that this is just 1/5 of his resume and the early part of it without having even received a title shot yet.

Robinson held wins over men who were/would become lightweight, welterweight and middleweight champions and did all this in the just first 3 years of his career!
Amazing but the best was yet to come.

After losing to Jake LaMotta in a rematch he did not lose another fight in 8 years and went unbeaten for his next 90 fights, winning titles in the WW and MW divisions.
He would go on to defeat such men like Armstrong, Bell, Costner, Curcio, Levine, Doyle, Docusen, Gavilan, Belloise, Villemain, Basora, Olson, Dykes, Turpin, Graziano, Fullmer and Basilio...

Ray Robinson eventually moved up to the light heavyweight division, challenged the champion Joey Maxim and was winning the fight on all 3 scorecards until retiring in his stool due to extreme exhaustion, the only time he was ever stopped in his 200 fight career.

Robinson retired after this fight with a record of 131 wins and 3 losses.
3 years later he would make his return to boxing in need of money and regained the world middleweight title 3 more times while in his mid/late 30's. Robinson finally retired at the age of 44 in 1965.

Sugar Ray Robinson is ranked by many the greatest welterweight of all time and one of the greatest middleweights of all time.

Great post TheManchine!!!! That post really puts it in perspective.

[TheGreatA]

so how does that many him the GOAT?

Because he dominated his era in a way that is yet to be duplicated.

[rizkybizness]

Who would you consider the GOAT, if not Robinson?

TBH, i'm not sure

i was merely asking why so many people are quick to jump on the "SRR GOAT" bandwagon

[El Dominicano]

Well, I have a hard time findin most of his fights but I can truly say he was a great fighter. Not the most skilled

[Burner]

Its cliche to say hes the goat and people just piggyback rather then do their research themselves.

SRR is not even better then a prime Roy Jones Jr.

[S A M U R A I]

TBH, i'm not sure

i was merely asking why so many people are quick to jump on the "SRR GOAT" bandwagon

Fair enough. It's a good discussion (as long as Kobe Bryant / basketball isn't involved).

I don't think Ray's achievements have come anywhere near being bettered. Manchine pretty much outlined the reasons, but maybe you could try watching some documentaries on SRR sometime.

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[rizkybizness]

Fair enough. It's a good discussion (as long as Kobe Bryant / basketball isn't involved).

I don't think Ray's achievements have come anywhere near being bettered. Manchine pretty much outlined the reasons, but maybe you could try watching some documentaries on SRR sometime.

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thanks man, ill defeinitely check it out when i get home

[TheGreatA]

Its cliche to say hes the goat and people just piggyback rather then do their research themselves.

SRR is not even better then a prime Roy Jones Jr.

Unfortunately Jones didn't achieve half as much.

[El Dominicano]

Are there any WW fights of SRR that I can download?