Another win for Boxing

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

that recently had an FBI investigation because there October 4th main event was said to have been fixed. oh and they were also about $55 Million in debt.

Florida AC is forced into looking into it. FBI hasn't stepped in.

Which means that the AC reps are playing Halo 3 for a month straight and then say no wrong doing has happened.

[MANGLER]

The great sport of boxing will be fine no matter what happens wit that MMA ****.

[MJ406]

[QUOTE=Fulcrum29;4218959]actually you're 100% wrong you see the total PPV revenue is just a small fraction of boxing's gross income WORLD WIDE. boxing is DEPENDENT as you say on its gigantic world wide following and PPV is just icing on the cake.

Yet the complete opposite is true with UFC where UFC IN ITS ENTIRETY is based on its ppv revenue because that's all they have is their cheap ****ty ppv shows. Learn about the topic before you speak on it please good sir.


well how big is this gigantic world wide (it is world wide) following boxing has,

I'd like to know how big this boxing fan base is, because if it is, why can't boxing get on Network cable from time to time?

if a sport like MMA can get on TV... why can't boxing?

so again sure boxing is more world wide then MMA, but how does that help if it can't even show a high caliber event on FREE TV on a regular basis outside of those random Thursday's on Versus.

UFC does that with ****e ... I believe UFC unleashed is shown on that network every week.

and you might wanna look back on those ALL CAPS of yours because if the UFC was "ENTIRELY" based on PPV revenue .. then why are they on ****e TV?

they have to funnel fans in somehow right?

granted they do probably make most of the $$$ from PPV's but you did say

"ENTIRELY BASED" and i just proved you wrong, so you might wanna take your own advice and "learn about the topic"

because the UFC wouldn't be on ****e if they were "ENTIRELY BASED" on PPV. no need to be an ass h*ole

and ****ty or not, at least there PPV's don't cost $54.95 which despite being "****ty" as you say, at least there somewhat decently prices

(IMO anything over $50 is a bit much for PPV, and I don't consider most boxing PPV's worth there $54.95 asking price)

and I'll agree as FREE or not the shows don't really perform up to par, this last show UFC 89 has a terribly boring Co+Main event IMO

[MJ406]

and when bringing up PPV's yeah sure that's one piece of the puzzle .. as far as where money goes

but i am using that piece to talk about how fans can watch the sport. If your a boxing fan you either have HBO, Showtime and buy the PPV's and watch directly .. or watch somewhere else/stream/youtube

I don't even consider myself that big of a MMA fan

yet I've been able to catch a good portion of events on TV and to this day haven't purchased a single UFC PPV

how could the above scenario be possible if UFC was "ENTIRELY PPV based"

I was pointing out that as a fan of the sport Boxing, if you don't have HBO/Showtime or purchase PPV's your somewhat out of the loop

yes Boxing is more popular on a Global Scale as you say, and probably does have the bigger fan base World Wide when compared to MMA, but boxing is mostly shown on Premium cable and hasn't really ''crossed over'' to being shown on Basic Cable, like EliteXC did .. even though they don't run anymore.

sorry for the confusion.

[bigdlb12]

I dont see how this is a win for boxing. Boxing is its own worst enemy. Greedy promoters, sanctioning bodies, fighters who are only interested in high pay/low risk fights, 4-5 champs per weight class, too many b.s fights on ppv, etc....
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Maybe just maybe MMA is missing this to make it better, MMA needs its own Don King

MMA is only fun when you have fighters that strike when you get into a technical match much like some of the technical boxers it can become extermely boring. Also because of the constant grappling the croowd and the fans watching on TV can't see the blows from knees elbows etc. I agree I am a boxing fan and very raely will i turn on MMA. The only good thing about it is fighters since they don't make as much money are more active. I just wish we had more boxing events televised is all.

me too, I mean Espn has Tuesday and friday night fights, Solo Boxeo on the spanish stations does good too

I hear many boo's in a lot of MMA fights, I hear some in boxing too, but only some.

that's because mma is not a growing sport. the best mma fighter in history can go against the former hw ufc champ at affliction and it only sells 80k ppvs. that tells you it's not mma, but ufc that's a growing brand.

yeah, I think now days people call MMA "The UFC Fight" when it might not even be UFC

Boxing does suffer, but I just cant believe that Exite XC went under, was Gary Shaw a promoter in Exlite XC? nice to know he still has boxing

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

Boxing does suffer, but I just cant believe that Exite XC went under, was Gary Shaw a promoter in Exlite XC? nice to know he still has boxing

And co match maker with the guy who match made for the UFC before Zuffa.

[Check]

I feel that MMA will return to its small numbers in the next 5-10 years. MMA has been built in America really due to the fact hate it or not its a white mans game. Americans for whatever reason worship the ball room brawlers. Well just like boxing other races are starting to dominate. On top of that MMA will always struggle to get hype around fighters. MMA is a sport that there is many ways to defeat someone so its hard to get guys that are 34-0 and build super fights. In boxing we get that because people can master one sport to a T and dominate at it. Honestly, without Brock Lesner MMA would not be talked about right now. The MMA numbers have not been increasing, they are about the same because they built a decent fanbase.
I also think that MMA will fall because the way they run their business. Yes, it is a smart idea to allow fans to see big fights on tv for free to an extent. It helped UFC begin to build their company but they have stood by this for to long. If you hold fights strictly on tv you do not make the same amount as money as PPV. Think about the difference of viewership which is about 10-15 cents compared to 50 dollars for a PPV. I think MMA fans(ufc fans in this matter) were spoiled and think that this will always continue. All the money spent on productions, arenas, fighters pay(they dont make much probably due to this)and other things I don't know that go into running a company all add up. This is why I think exlitexc failed when it comes to money.
Theres other reasons I fell MMA will fail though. Things that it just seems like fans arent into ground game. MMA has always been all about promoting by showing blood and quick knockouts but as soon as it came to the face of the fight world we seen the game. Well the last few months I know have been a real dissapointment, or so I read with poor matchups and boring ones. It just won't work long term IMO. Kinda like how kickboxing tried to takeover.

[itwasluck]

Elite XC, which produced seven of the 10 most-watched MMA matches in U.S. history

Probably because it was free.

[Check]

I'd like to add and I know this will cause backlash by MMA slappies but I think another thing that will bring MMA down is that the fighters don't get respect. I think a lot of reason MMA was quick to catch on was that it was boxing without the borefest. A sort of fighting that made you use all types of skills but mainly it offered you a bloody quick knockout type of entertainment. Well that kind of style will never be full respected IMO. Boxers have always been considered these great athletes but so far has any king of MMA really been held in the same light as a world class athlete as a boxer. On a grand stage I really don't think so. Good MMA fighters have always been considered just these fighters nothing else. Boxers have always been looked at as real athletes. Just the way it seems to me when we talk about the regular person.

[Da Hammer]

Whatever happened to those rumors a couple months ago of maybe putting boxing back on network TV??? was it just that a rumor?