Calzaghe: "Screw Hopkins, There Won't Be a Rematch"

Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • S A M U R A I
    Bulletproof
    Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
    • Apr 2008
    • 181694
    • 1,495
    • 1,324
    • 1,419,318

    #131
    Originally posted by Gorguruga
    even Enzo Calzaghe scored the fight for Hopkins.
    Where did Enzo state that he thought Hopkins won? I hope you're not basing that on Enzo bolstering his fighters' spirit in the corner between rounds.



    100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

    Comment

    • Gorguruga
      Banned
      Silver Champion - 100-500 posts
      • May 2007
      • 300
      • 9
      • 1
      • 395

      #132
      Originally posted by F-R-K-O
      Where did Enzo state that he thought Hopkins won? I hope you're not basing that on Enzo bolstering his fighters' spirit in the corner between rounds.
      Where else would it be possible to reach a conclusion such as that, obviously Enzo wouldn't openly admit he thought Joe lost after he had been awarded the split decision. Only if the decision had gone Hopkins way would there be any chance of Enzo openly admitting he thought Hopkins won it. But Enzo's statements at the end of the 11th round really aren't open to interpretation, they summarise his views on the fight. Enzo is not the type of trainer who will tell his fighter that "he needs a KO to win", unless he genuinely believed it was the truth.

      Enzo is a "call it as I see it" trainer, if you're doing well he'll tell you, if you're doing badly he'll tell you. He has never used reverse psychology on his fighters and it would be illogical to suggest that he decided to uncharacteristically do so at the end of the round 11 in the Hopkins fight. It just doesn't make any sense or follow any established pattern. It's easy to backstep now and claim that it was "bolstering his fighters spirits" in retrospect.. it's plainly not the truth. At that stage in the fight Enzo really thought Joe needed to KO Hopkins to win which, by simple deduction, means that Enzo thought Hopkins had won the fight. Maybe a bitter pill to swallow for some.

      Comment

      • daggum
        All time great
        Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
        • Feb 2008
        • 43345
        • 4,515
        • 3
        • 166,270

        #133
        Originally posted by F-R-K-O
        You're actually completely wrong. You may see him as a "fraud" but most people in the world don't. Especially casual fans who don't get deep into the politics of boxing, of which there are many.

        Whether you like it or not, Joe will be seen as great by the majority of the people. Your rants on here won't change anyone's opinions, I guarantee this, so why bother whining?

        PS: Don't forget to count the years it takes before you see another undefeated fighter retire with 46 or so fights under his belt. Why do people remember Marciano? I mean the general public...

        I bet that took maybe 2 seconds to think over.

        Good luck!

        most people don't know who he is. i call them the luckiest people on earth.

        Comment

        • Dirk Diggler UK
          Deleted
          Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
          • Jun 2008
          • 48836
          • 1,312
          • 693
          • 58,902

          #134
          Originally posted by Gorguruga
          Where else would it be possible to reach a conclusion such as that, obviously Enzo wouldn't openly admit he thought Joe lost after he had been awarded the split decision. Only if the decision had gone Hopkins way would there be any chance of Enzo openly admitting he thought Hopkins won it. But Enzo's statements at the end of the 11th round really aren't open to interpretation, they summarise his views on the fight. Enzo is not the type of trainer who will tell his fighter that "he needs a KO to win", unless he genuinely believed it was the truth.

          Enzo is a "call it as I see it" trainer, if you're doing well he'll tell you, if you're doing badly he'll tell you. He has never used reverse psychology on his fighters and it would be illogical to suggest that he decided to uncharacteristically do so at the end of the round 11 in the Hopkins fight. It just doesn't make any sense or follow any established pattern. It's easy to backstep now and claim that it was "bolstering his fighters spirits" in retrospect.. it's plainly not the truth. At that stage in the fight Enzo really thought Joe needed to KO Hopkins to win which, by simple deduction, means that Enzo thought Hopkins had won the fight. Maybe a bitter pill to swallow for some.
          There are many reasons Enzo couldve told Joe to KO him. None of which include him thinking Hopkins was actually winning.

          1. To pysche up Joe
          2. Because he knew it was close and in America, he could be robbed
          3. He wanted Joe to put a stamp on it with a KO

          Comment

          • them_apples
            Lord
            Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
            • Aug 2007
            • 9761
            • 1,180
            • 900
            • 41,722

            #135
            I want this coward, ducking slappy clown Calzaghe to lose to Roy so bad.

            I'm so sick of him overating himself..robbing fighters by looking active...fighting them when they are old and calling yourself a legend killer.

            RoY by KO lets go Roy

            Comment

            • benjiaus101
              Amateur
              Interim Champion - 1-100 posts
              • Jan 2008
              • 4
              • 0
              • 0
              • 6,016

              #136
              arrogant

              that is so crap....i new they would never have a rematch but i thought calzaghe would of went about it the right way...completely giving no hopkins no credit saying i beat him so i dont have to fight anyone else or him again cuz i proved myself...hmm mayweather undeafeted agaisnt the best of the best....calzaghe undeafeted agaisnt 40 knowbodys...i have lost alot of respect fo him after those comments...rjj now deserves a victory pure and simply because of the champions hes bit in the past...calazghe says pavlik is not a "great"...bit hypercritical i think!!!

              Comment

              • Dirk Diggler UK
                Deleted
                Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                • Jun 2008
                • 48836
                • 1,312
                • 693
                • 58,902

                #137
                Originally posted by them_apples
                I want this coward, ducking slappy clown Calzaghe to lose to Roy so bad.

                I'm so sick of him overating himself..robbing fighters by looking active...fighting them when they are old and calling yourself a legend killer.

                RoY by KO lets go Roy
                I always find your whinging ironic considering who you have in your avatar.

                Comment

                • Gorguruga
                  Banned
                  Silver Champion - 100-500 posts
                  • May 2007
                  • 300
                  • 9
                  • 1
                  • 395

                  #138
                  Originally posted by F-R-K-O
                  Where did Enzo state that he thought Hopkins won? I hope you're not basing that on Enzo bolstering his fighters' spirit in the corner between rounds.
                  Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
                  There are many reasons Enzo couldve told Joe to KO him. None of which include him thinking Hopkins was actually winning.

                  1. To pysche up Joe
                  2. Because he knew it was close and in America, he could be robbed
                  3. He wanted Joe to put a stamp on it with a KO
                  Enzo is a "call it as I see it trainer", he always has been. He thought that the only way for Joe to win was by KO, so he said so. It's really as simple as that. No trainer would tell their fighter that they need to knock out the other guy to win, in the final round, unless they genuinely believed it because if you go for a KO you leave yourself exposed and vulnerable to being KO'd. Enzo knew that so he wouldn't tell Joe to go for a KO in the final round unless he really thought Joe needed it to win.

                  Throughout all of boxing history, when a trainer tells his fighter he needs a KO to win in the 12th round, it's because he thinks the fighter will otherwise lose on points. Enzo simply did what countless trainers have done in the past when they believe their fighter is losing by the end of the penultimate round - "you have to knock him out to win". There is no shame in Enzo saying that and also no need for anyone to make up excuses on his behalf. His evaluation of the fight was the same as many of the spectators and, more importantly, the same as one of the three official judges.

                  Comment

                  • S A M U R A I
                    Bulletproof
                    Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 181694
                    • 1,495
                    • 1,324
                    • 1,419,318

                    #139
                    Originally posted by Gorguruga
                    Where else would it be possible to reach a conclusion such as that, obviously Enzo wouldn't openly admit he thought Joe lost after he had been awarded the split decision. Only if the decision had gone Hopkins way would there be any chance of Enzo openly admitting he thought Hopkins won it. But Enzo's statements at the end of the 11th round really aren't open to interpretation, they summarise his views on the fight. Enzo is not the type of trainer who will tell his fighter that "he needs a KO to win", unless he genuinely believed it was the truth.

                    Enzo is a "call it as I see it" trainer, if you're doing well he'll tell you, if you're doing badly he'll tell you. He has never used reverse psychology on his fighters and it would be illogical to suggest that he decided to uncharacteristically do so at the end of the round 11 in the Hopkins fight. It just doesn't make any sense or follow any established pattern. It's easy to backstep now and claim that it was "bolstering his fighters spirits" in retrospect.. it's plainly not the truth. At that stage in the fight Enzo really thought Joe needed to KO Hopkins to win which, by simple deduction, means that Enzo thought Hopkins had won the fight. Maybe a bitter pill to swallow for some.
                    I assume you are new to boxing if you have never seen a trainer say those kind of things to his fighter. Either that, or you haven't watched enough Calzaghe fights. It's pretty simple man, he knew the fight was close, as we all did. Enzo shouts at Joe all the time.

                    Talk about taking **** out of context, man. Wow.

                    I have seen Enzo get seriously pissed off at Joe for messing around during fights, doing things he generally doesn't like, etc.

                    Honestly, you need not have typed all that post out, I'm not convinced Enzo thinks Joe lost that fight, I never will be convinced, and as far as I'm concerned you're completely wrong anyway. No disrespect.



                    100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

                    Comment

                    • Dirk Diggler UK
                      Deleted
                      Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 48836
                      • 1,312
                      • 693
                      • 58,902

                      #140
                      Originally posted by Gorguruga
                      Enzo is a "call it as I see it trainer", he always has been. He thought that the only way for Joe to win was by KO, so he said so. It's really as simple as that. No trainer would tell their fighter that they need to knock out the other guy to win, in the final round, unless they genuinely believed it because if you go for a KO you leave yourself exposed and vulnerable to being KO'd. Enzo knew that so he wouldn't tell Joe to go for a KO in the final round unless he really thought Joe needed it to win.

                      Throughout all of boxing history, when a trainer tells his fighter he needs a KO to win in the 12th round, it's because he thinks the fighter will otherwise lose on points. Enzo simply did what countless trainers have done in the past when they believe their fighter is losing by the end of the penultimate round - "you have to knock him out to win". There is no shame in Enzo saying that and also no need for anyone to make up excuses on his behalf. His evaluation of the fight was the same as many of the spectators and, more importantly, the same as one of the three official judges.
                      Congratulations for ignoring all the points presented to you and repeating the same tired crap.

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      TOP