Bhop was shot against Calzaghe, yet he was in his prime against Pavlik???

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I think something was wrong with Hopkins when he fought Joe.He knocked the guy down and stoped punching.It sure as he wasnt anything Joe did..because he didn't do **** but fall in and flail like a DROWNING SPIDER MONKEY.

Despite looking horrible that night..HOPKINS STILL WON..The judges ****** ass because Joe didn't land any scoring punches and got dropped on his ass and hurt several times.

That wasn't the first time they stuck it to ol' B-Hop.

Hopkins strayed from his normal regiment and he got tired.

Joe didn't do nearly enuff to win the fight.

What did Hopkins do to win the fight?

Was it the holding, The butting or The feigning of injury that impressed you most?

[chillin8]

Calzaghe will always be criticized for not facing Hops and RJ early in their carrers ..Lets face it,,a prime RJ and Hop would kill a prime Calzaghe

[Motofan]

Calzaghe beat Hopkins. Hopkins beat Pavlik. End thread.

[WelshDevilRob]

Just proves that Kelly was overhyped and I include myself in doing that.

Bernard took him to school and showed that Kelly only has one real way of fighting. People like Hopkins and Calzaghe are versatile and can adjust which is why they have been at the top so long.

It makes Jack Loew look like the mouthy clown he is, I bet Enzo Calzaghe is laughing his head off - They said Kelly wasn't upto it and Bernard proved them right.

For the record Joe beat Bernard by imposing his fight on Hopkins and clawed his way back from the early set back of a knockdown - thats proof of Greatness and Bhop schooling Pavlik, who couldn't impose his fight game on Hopkins, just emphasizes that Bhop and Joe are Great fighters.

You can moan and complain but you can't change the result.

[The Monk]

Some people will never give Calzaghe credit, but hopefully after last night result they realise that Joe's win over Nard was infact not a win over a shot fighter but a win over a formidable opponent.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Calzaghe will always be criticized for not facing Hops and RJ early in their carrers ..Lets face it,,a prime RJ and Hop would kill a prime Calzaghe

Wonder why Bhop ducked him and Roy ignored him then.

[Drunk Punch]

Hopkins makes everyone look bad, it's just he made Pavlik look really bad.

I give credit to Calzaghe for forcing Hokins to fight at a pace he was uncomfortable with, for putting up with all the usual Hopkins spoiling tactics and still coming out on top. It wasn't a great performance (Calzaghe is the first to admit that) but it looks a lot more credible now after Pavlik being taken to school.

[CasperUK]

You could argue that Calzaghe barely beat Hopkins. Infact, I had Hopkins up by one round.

[BennyST]

What's interesting is that most people don't even realise that Calzaghe is himself a spoiler, just as Hopkins is. That is how Calzaghe wins his fights, by making the other guy fight his fight. Exactly as Hopkins won the fight against Pavlik, Calzaghe won the fight against Hopkins, no matter how bad it looked. Pavlik didn't do anything to stop Hopkins doing what he wanted, whereas, Calzaghe adjusted and didn't allow Hopkins to keep doing what he wanted to do.

Calzaghe made Hopkins fight more his fight than Hopkins made Calzaghe fight his, hence, Calzaghe won. Whether or not it was a terrible fight and whether or not you whine about "Hopkins didn't throw any punches in that fight but he did against Pavlik!" is straight up arse, because he was made to fight a fight he didn't want to. Calzaghe beat Hopkins at his own game. That = W12.

Edit: People can argue all they want about how many people thought Hopkins won, but the fact is more people thought Calzaghe won. He looked like **** when he was meant to look great, which is a big reason for everyone bitching as they are, but he still beat him.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

What's interesting is that most people don't even realise that Calzaghe is himself a spoiler, just as Hopkins is. That is how Calzaghe wins his fights, by making the other guy fight his fight. Exactly as Hopkins won the fight against Pavlik, Calzaghe won the fight against Hopkins, no matter how bad it looked. Pavlik didn't do anything to stop Hopkins doing what he wanted, whereas, Calzaghe adjusted and didn't allow Hopkins to keep doing what he wanted to do.

Calzaghe made Hopkins fight more his fight than Hopkins made Calzaghe fight his, hence, Calzaghe won. Whether or not it was a terrible fight and whether or not you whine about "Hopkins didn't throw any punches in that fight but he did against Pavlik!" is straight up arse, because he was made to fight a fight he didn't want to. Calzaghe beat Hopkins at his own game. That = W12.

Edit: People can argue all they want about how many people thought Hopkins won, but the fact is more people thought Calzaghe won. He looked like **** when he was meant to look great, which is a big reason for everyone bitching as they are, but he still beat him.

Great post. Pretty much sums it up.