Hopkins Is Being Underestimated, Pavlik Hyped

[mrlopez]

"Hopkins Is Being Underestimated, Pavlik Hyped"

Hopkins is being underestimated, BUT Pavlik is not hyped, he's proven he belongs at the top, as soon as CalSlappy sees Hopkins lose, he's going to run into retirement because he wont face the Ghost

[Uchi Deshi]

I have this also...

That's exactly what I've been thinking! Pavlik stands a good chance of hitting the canvas at some point.

I think Pavlik can win, but BHop is going to make it an ugly dangerous fight, and it's going to be close either way.

Hopkins may be past his prime, but he has a lot of experience and plenty of tricks. He may not have the stamina that he used to have, but he keeps himself in great condition all the time. Pavlik will last better than Hopkins, but he's going to have to get past Hopkins' tricks and counters.

[S A M U R A I]

You have to favor Pavlik but am I the only one that can see Bernard setting a big trap for him? Like one HUGE right hand that badly hurts him or knocks him out? Word is that he looks reborn in the gym.

Yes sir. I saw Hops KOing Kelly long ago and I'll stick with it.

Taylor almost did it. I think Bernard hits harder, so maybe he can go one step further.

If I, merely a boxing fan, can see exploitable flaws in Pavlik, no doubt Bernard not only sees them but knows exactly how to use them to his advantage.



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[roundingace]

Well to each his own and some valid points were definitely raised. I just don't see Hop winning this. Not at all. I hope it's entertaining and it's a good night for boxing and not just another. "What a waste of $49.95." I will stick with Pav by KO for the reasons I pointed out. GL Bernard, you sir, are definitely going to need it.

[Kris Silver]

How will a Pavlik stoppage "make Calzaghe look bad"? Pavlik is a power puncher whereas Calzaghe is a decision merchant, ergo Calzaghe was always likely to have to box Hopkins to a decision, whereas Pavlik, if he is the real deal has more pop on his punches and thus has more chance of a stoppage. These are just facts. Of course, one thing that a Pavlik stoppage would do is as I said, prove he is the real deal and strengthen his case for a Calzaghe fight.

I tend to agree with the initial post and some of IMDAZED's later ones. It's ridiculous Hopkins is still soo competitive at this age, but the fact is, he is. I'm caught on which is deeper, people under rating Hopkins or over rating Pavlik. People were hyping Hopkins pretty good pre Calzaghe then he's 100% shot just like Roy. Their past prime but not to the extents often made out.

Pavlik is also being over rated and IMDAZED made a great point, if Hops can catch Calzaghe he can certainly catch Pavlik. The question is will the opportunity arise and be landed. More likely than Pavlik knocking Hopkins out and how many times has Kelly been in that position.

Secondly, as for your post badge, I see this being a huge on going arguing point for Calzaghe and Pavlik fans. It's easy to say a KO win is simply better than a SD win and that's that. It's being overly simplistic of the finer details though. Calzaghe is not a knock out man, power is not his biggest strength nor does he try KO's really anymore. So of course it's to be expected he goes in to out box like he did with Lacy and Kessler. He looked **** against Hops because he's a style nitemare for him and he didn't perform well. But Pavlik's a power puncher and it's not immediately more impressive he therefore KO's. Calzaghe out boxes and win decisions, Pavlik power punches and tries to KO. When those things happen, don't be surprised or make out ones better than the other period, because that's just being overly simplistic.

[BattlingNelson]

I have probably been one of those underestimating Hopkins.

Nice points in the opening post. I myself hasn't thought much about the weight but that would certainly not benefit Pavlik's power. That being said I just don't think that Hopkins has the stamina to go 12 hard rounds with a puncher of Pavlik's caliber. Going 12 with Calzaghe is in itself nothing special (at world class level of course) and even less when you consider that Joe fought the worst fight in years IMO.

Experts say that as you go old the first thing you lose is punchresistance. For sure Hopkins has a lot to lose since his chin always has been top-notch. But just how long time ago was it that Hopkins had a chin-check from a puncher of Pavlik's class?

I still think Pavlik wins inside the distance althoug this thread may have made me slightly less confident about it.

[S A M U R A I]

But just how long time ago was it that Hopkins had a chin-check from a puncher of Pavlik's class?

Taylor (who had Pavlik in a real mess in round 2 of the first fight).

Bernard wasn't really phased by Taylor's power, it was probably more his speed which befuddled him.

BTW, as far as I'm concerned, Pavlik lost the Taylor rematch.



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[BattlingNelson]

Taylor (who had Pavlik in a real mess in round 2 of the first fight).

Bernard wasn't really phased by Taylor's power, it was probably more his speed which befuddled him.

Taylor's punching power is not in Pavlik's league IMO. Of course the weight can make a difference. But so can the 3 years that has gone since the last Taylor fight.

[Arka]

I don't know whose going to win,but something tells me this isn't going to go the distance...

[roundingace]

But Pavlik's a power puncher and it's not immediately more impressive he therefore KO's. Calzaghe out boxes and win decisions, Pavlik power punches and tries to KO.

If you're saying, and I may have this a little twisted in your wording, Kelly winning via a knockout and JC winning via a decision that Kelly's is not more impressive given that that's what he tries to do and Joe doesn't? If that's what you meant, I'd like a poll put up and see if my "eye rolling" was called for. If not, I apologize for taking the words that way, but it just sounded like that's what you were implying.