Is Daniel Ponce de Leon an "elite"?

[toluco]

Eduardo Escobedo came out looking like he could ****, he had that Nacho Berinstein stance down solid. But either he was nervous as hell, or he was scared of Ponce, cause that fight was ****in eye cancer. That **** was garbage. Ponce with his inability to set shots up, and Eduardo's ability to move effectively made that fight horrible. I wouldn't be surprised if people thought Eduardo won, I mean the whole fight didn't have that much action.

But I remember that fight and thinkin how much Eduardo looked like Marquez. I wonder if he actually has some potential and that De Leon fight was just a case of nerves, or if he Eduardo is just another Jorge Solis type.

yeah he is another jorge solis type
in fact i consider solis better cuz he has more power
i watched his last fight in the undercard of pitalua-santacruz and wasnt impressed
more impressed by vicente escobedo damn nacho has like 10 fighters and trains them all, i think hes the trainer with more fighters

btw ponce de leon is not a big super bamtam juanma and caballero are bigger in fact he said he can still make the bamtamweight limit

[MaYaN_SuN]

yeah he is another jorge solis type
in fact i consider solis better cuz he has more power
i watched his last fight in the undercard of pitalua-santacruz and wasnt impressed
more impressed by vicente escobedo damn nacho has like 10 fighters and trains them all, i think hes the trainer with more fighters

btw ponce de leon is not a big super bamtam juanma and caballero are bigger in fact he said he can still make the bamtamweight limit

Good lookin out on that info, I couldn't stop wondering if Eduardo was the real deal or not after that Ponce fight.

As for Vicente, that dude looks lazy in the ring. He gets hit with everything and I can't believe he decided to leave his power to focus more on his boxing. lol His boxing isn't that great, he gets hit all the time when he tries to exchange. If anythign he's gonna need more power. I thought the fight with Jiminez was just Escobedo wanting to trade power shots, but it wasn't. lol Vicente just doesn't have defense. He can't move from punches and he can't pick punches up at all. He nees to load up on power, cause he's keep gettin hit. He's like a slightly better version of Israel Vasquez, Israel can't box for ****, but he's tough past the 4th or 5th and is able to **** on you for the remainder of the fight. Thats the type of **** Vicente needs to get on.

[Eaner0919]

He isn't a gatekeeper but he isn't elite either, he was a titlist, a weak titlist.

weak titleist?

the man defend his belt 6 times. Skillwise he is about as raw as they come but a guy defends his title that much is in no way a weak titleist.

[Dynamite Kid]

do you Mexican fans have an unbiased bone in your body ?

[Eaner0919]

do you Mexican fans have an unbiased bone in your body ?

are you seriously talking to me?

[Silencers]

weak titleist?

the man defend his belt 6 times. Skillwise he is about as raw as they come but a guy defends his title that much is in no way a weak titleist.

He was the weakest in the division. Some people had Penalosa beating him and some people even had Escobedo beating him.

[DannYankee]

Atm hes role seems more of a Gatekeeper to me.

[Eaner0919]

He was the weakest in the division.

no dis*****g that but when you are in a division where Caballero Marquez and Vazquez reside don't you think it's not all his fault? Add in Molitor and Lopez now and Ponce is in a division thats going to be hard to crack the top 5 at least for him.

I am not Ponce fan at all but given the fact that he is about as skilless as they come (he is the same way in training BTW) and yet defended his title as much as he did I wouldn't necessarily call him weak.

and as for the two disputed decisions I agree however neither one of them were robberies IMO. They were both close fights and it seems in both cases the judges favored Ponce's volume over the effective punching of Penalosa and Escobedo. I was at both fights actually and thought in the Penalosa fight it could have went either way there were lapses from Gerry where had he punched a bit more he would have won rounds clearer. However, he didnt and it made scoring rounds tougher depending on what you were looking for.

The Escobedo fight I had Escobedo up early but he just stopped punching for some reason. He was clearly outclassing Ponce, not a hard thing to do, but stopped throwing.

[ANDROID_DOES]

you are making out is was a clear victory for De Leon when it was not he looked garbage

the punch stats tell you how close the fight was

De Leon landed 184 threw 1096

Escobedo landed 101 threw 570

so the fight could of give either way its not like there is huge differnce in punches landed i would have given it to Escobedo on ring generalshipif the truth be known those 83 punches were counted as landed shots the same way Calzaghe were counted against Hopkins cause i cant remember De Leon landing that many punches

by looking at those stats i can tell you how do you give it to escobedo?? Not only was he outworked by almost triple his rate de leon landed 83 more shots!!!

[Silencers]

no dis*****g that but when you are in a division where Caballero Marquez and Vazquez reside don't you think it's not all his fault? Add in Molitor and Lopez now and Ponce is in a division thats going to be hard to crack the top 5 at least for him.

I am not Ponce fan at all but given the fact that he is about as skilless as they come (he is the same way in training BTW) and yet defended his title as much as he did I wouldn't necessarily call him weak.

and as for the two disputed decisions I agree however neither one of them were robberies IMO. They were both close fights and it seems in both cases the judges favored Ponce's volume over the effective punching of Penalosa and Escobedo. I was at both fights actually and thought in the Penalosa fight it could have went either way there were lapses from Gerry where had he punched a bit more he would have won rounds clearer. However, he didnt and it made scoring rounds tougher depending on what you were looking for.

The Escobedo fight I had Escobedo up early but he just stopped punching for some reason. He was clearly outclassing Ponce, not a hard thing to do, but stopped throwing.

It is a deep division but Escobedo and Penalosa aren't exactly top guys at 122 so I think he was a weak titlist going in, most people that watched him knew that he was a KO waiting to happen, it just took the right opponent to get him out of there which was Lopez, not to take anything away from him but Ponce De Leon was a weak titlist.