Is Daniel Ponce de Leon an "elite"?

[mellow_mood]

yeah agree

he is somewhere in the middle of elite and gatekeeper to be honest

goo enough to be a titleist but never elite. Bad enough to never be consider one of the best but still could beat the majority of fighters at 122. He still is young, still can crack, and still overwhelms the majority of fighters out there with his volume.

well said.... I expect him to get another shot.. ! i wouldnt mind to see another fight with juanma.. i know is not gonna end like the first one... it will last more...

in fact.. if none of the top ranked want to fight him in dec. 6... a rematch would be good...cos i know that fight can be more entertaining that how it was the first time...

[mellow_mood]

The knockout so quickly was definitely unexpected to me.

I got Dawson, Klitschko-Peter is a tough fight to pick because it all depends on how much Klitschko has left.

I want tarver to loose...


and for some reason.. when i saw the press conference when peter took the belt away from him... i saw fear in kilsko hahah soo.. wtf... i got peter to take him away.... but i could care less if vitali takes him... i really dont mind

[toluco]

how is he a gatekeeper?
he is only got 2 losses

[Silencers]

I want tarver to loose...


and for some reason.. when i saw the press conference when peter took the belt away from him... i saw fear in kilsko hahah soo.. wtf... i got peter to take him away.... but i could care less if vitali takes him... i really dont mind

Peter seems insecure, I think Klitschko has gotten into his head a little bit, hard to say though.

[mellow_mood]

Peter seems insecure, I think Klitschko has gotten into his head a little bit, hard to say though.

I havnt follow up all the promotion tour.. all I see was that...

what was the last time vitali fought?

[Pullcounter]

how is he a gatekeeper?
he is only got 2 losses

he doesn't have what it takes to be elite, he was outclassed badly by juanma

[Eaner0919]

Was I the only one who thought Ponce De Leon was going to get knocked out sooner or later? I will admit, I didn't expect it to happen inside a round against Lopez though.

honestly Ponce is pretty rugged and can seemingly take a shot so maybe. I always saw him being outclassed badly but never obliterated

[Silencers]

I havnt follow up all the promotion tour.. all I see was that...

what was the last time vitali fought?

It's about 3 and a half years since his last fight.

honestly Ponce is pretty rugged and can seemingly take a shot so maybe. I always saw him being outclassed badly but never obliterated

I don't really mean obliterated, that surprised me as well but I always thought he would get knocked out sooner or later.

[Slotff]

He's neither. A good (albiet raw) former (and possibly future) titleholder.

[deevel79]

On top of JML whooping his ass, i felt that Gerry Penalosa beat him. Of course the judges didnt see it the same way.