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    Boxing Myths (Fact-Based)

    I won't get into the typical "boxing myths" thread where it gets all based on opinion such as "Leonard deserved the win over Hagler" or some stuff like that.

    Here are some boxing myths:

    The term "pound-for-pound" was invented for Sugar Ray Robinson: It may have gotten popularized more when Robinson was called the pound-for-pound, but other fighters such as Bob Fitzsimmons and Tony Canzoneri were called pound-for-pound the best by writers as well. Hell, the IBHOF profile on Canzoneri even says he was considered the best p4p at age 23, years before Walker Smith became a pro fighter.

    This picture is the knockout blow that won Rocky Marciano the title



    All you have to do is look at the angle of the ropes to see that this is not the case.

    Willie Pep won a round against Jackie Graves without throwing a punch: I suppose this can never be proven or disproven 100% without film, but it appears from the research done by a member of the IBRO. Newspaper accounts found say that both fighters actually threw a lot of punches in that round.
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    Myth: Morales, Barrera, Hamed and Pacman ducked Juan Manuel Marquez

    Fact
    : Morales and Hamed gave an offer to Juan Manuel Marquez for a fight,
    Nacho Beristain declined both. A way-past-prime Barrera finally fought
    Marquez and was robbed of a win. His knockdown of Marquez was ruled
    a slip and was deducted a point for punching while Marquez was down.
    Juan Manuel Marquez's camp said "no" to an immediate Pacman
    rematch and opted to fight Chris John in Indonesia for peanuts.

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      #3
      Roy Jones Jr was unbeatable in his prime.

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        #4
        Originally posted by badboypeenoy
        Myth: Morales, Barrera, Hamed and Pacman ducked Juan Manuel Marquez

        Fact
        : Morales and Hamed gave an offer to Juan Manuel Marquez for a fight,
        Nacho Beristain declined both. A way-past-prime Barrera finally fought
        Marquez and was robbed of a win. His knockdown of Marquez was ruled
        a slip and was deducted a point for punching while Marquez was down.
        Juan Manuel Marquez's camp said "no" to an immediate Pacman
        rematch and opted to fight Chris John in Indonesia for peanuts.
        wait I thought Marquez was Hamed's mando back in 1998?

        show me where they declined a Hamed fight please because I heard otherwise

        now

        its 100% true that JMM did indeed say no to a Morales fight. I was there while Steve Kim was talking to Beltran and he told Steve that Marquez would have gotten a career high payday but he flat out said no.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Eaner0919
          wait I thought Marquez was Hamed's mando back in 1998?

          show me where they declined a Hamed fight please because I heard otherwise

          now

          its 100% true that JMM did indeed say no to a Morales fight. I was there while Steve Kim was talking to Beltran and he told Steve that Marquez would have gotten a career high payday but he flat out said no.
          From what was told on the HBO Countdown to Marquez-Barrera, Hamed avoided Marquez at first, but did offer him a fight after Marquez lost to Norwood, but Nacho turned down the fight.

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            gotcha and thanks

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              #7
              Originally posted by Thread Stealer
              From what was told on the HBO Countdown to Marquez-Barrera, Hamed avoided Marquez at first, but did offer him a fight after Marquez lost to Norwood, but Nacho turned down the fight.
              That is true as I remember it. Also Erik Morales turned down a fight with Hamed because it was too soon after the first Barrera fight.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
                Roy Jones Jr was unbeatable in his prime.
                Didnt the thread author want fact based , well the fact is he never got beat in his prime so I guess your wrong .

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Eaner0919
                  wait I thought Marquez was Hamed's mando back in 1998?

                  show me where they declined a Hamed fight please because I heard otherwise

                  now

                  its 100% true that JMM did indeed say no to a Morales fight. I was there while Steve Kim was talking to Beltran and he told Steve that Marquez would have gotten a career high payday but he flat out said no.
                  Excerpts from an interview with former Marquez and Barrera matchmaker for Forum Boxing Inc, Antonio Curtis.

                  "When they said they were going to make a unification, I forgot who the hell they were supposed to be fighting. What happened is this, as soon as they told us no, we took another fight. As soon as we took another fight, then they called us when we had already signed for another fight and then they wanted us to fight Hamed, Curtis recalled, of those events. Now, I wanted to pull that fight, to fight Hamed. But Nacho said no. He would've gotten a half-million for the fight and Nacho turned that fight down."

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by RodBarker
                    Didnt the thread author want fact based , well the fact is he never got beat in his prime so I guess your wrong .
                    Yeah cos he really fought everyone that couldve beaten him

                    As soon as he got beat, people said he was shot.

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