Calzaghe, jones and pavlik

[Silencers]

true the fight does depend on how much roy has left but i watched the fight with tito and i watched roy in the build up to the fight in the gym as well and i think he does have that 80%.

anway in reagrds to the fighters 10/15 years ago i think i was being a bit unclear. the fight that is gonna happen will give us the chance to look at the 2 fighters and see how they do against each other. neither fighter has really changed their style from their repective primes, and on a superfical level having the right name on the resume will confirm who was te better out of hopkins/JC/RJJ triangle.

as i said before neither fighter has really changed their styles alot - therefore the gameplan thatthey come in with now and the gameplan they would have come in with in their primes is likely going to be the same, so it would leave us the fans asking would Roy have executed the gameplan alot better if he was in his prime and had a bit more in the tank or was joe just too smart and too active.

I honestly don't see how much a Tito fight tells us how much he has left, it's a fight that could be misleading in that way.

I don't think it would confirm anything about who was better between the trio unless Jones wins, if Calzaghe wins, it just confirms that he's a past prime fighter who should hang them up.

Not really, they both have to take age into the equation now so their gameplans, while probably having similarities as to how they would have fought each other in their primes, would be significantly different.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Agreed. People arent looking at it from a stylistic standpoint. And style-wise, Roy presents a much bigger obstacle even if he is past his prime. So was Hopkins, so is Joe.

Pavlik is signed, sealed and delivered for Calzaghe

[MELLY-MEL...]

Agreed. People arent looking at it from a stylistic standpoint. And style-wise, Roy presents a much bigger obstacle even if he is past his prime. So was Hopkins, so is Joe.

Pavlik is signed, sealed and delivered for Calzaghe

good, than no reason not to make the f uckin fight after roy!

[Dirk Diggler UK]

good, than no reason not to make the f uckin fight after roy!

Well thats up to Joe. Im sure if theres ****** money available, then he will consider it at least.

[Clegg]

I think that, if Joe could beat both, he would look better beating Pavlik.

Calzaghe is IMO better with someone who comes forward. It allows him to play to his strengths. Because of this, if he beat Pavlik, I think he'd look good doing it.

Against Jones however, Calzaghe will look bad. If Roy fights defensively, Calzaghe will probably become the aggressor. What this means is him throwing a lot of punches that do not look good and do not have much power behind them.

Another factor is that I think Pavlik, when he does lose, will lose to someone who outsmarts him and is a better technician. Roy, on the other hand, has lost in the past because of his opponents power.

I think Calzaghe is one of the best technicians in the sport. I think he's one of the least powerful punchers, however.

I think Calzaghe will beat Jones, but it will be another unimpressive performance IMO.

I do think that Pavlik has a better chance of beating Calzaghe, however. So far, Pavlik has improved with each fight and shown that he can come back from a bad situation. It's possible that he's better than we think he is, because he hasn't been pushed to his absolute limit yet.

We don't know quite how much Pavlik has to offer, but unless the aging process has reversed itself, we do know how much Roy has left.

[MELLY-MEL...]

Well thats up to Joe. Im sure if theres ****** money available, then he will consider it at least.

if both win there next fights what would be bigger moneywise at 68-75? nothing imo. it needs to happen.

I think that, if Joe could beat both, he would look better beating Pavlik.

Calzaghe is IMO better with someone who comes forward. It allows him to play to his strengths. Because of this, if he beat Pavlik, I think he'd look good doing it.

Against Jones however, Calzaghe will look bad. If Roy fights defensively, Calzaghe will probably become the aggressor. What this means is him throwing a lot of punches that do not look good and do not have much power behind them.

Another factor is that I think Pavlik, when he does lose, will lose to someone who outsmarts him and is a better technician. Roy, on the other hand, has lost in the past because of his opponents power.

I think Calzaghe is one of the best technicians in the sport. I think he's one of the least powerful punchers, however.

I think Calzaghe will beat Jones, but it will be another unimpressive performance IMO.

I do think that Pavlik has a better chance of beating Calzaghe, however. So far, Pavlik has improved with each fight and shown that he can come back from a bad situation. It's possible that he's better than we think he is, because he hasn't been pushed to his absolute limit yet.

We don't know quite how much Pavlik has to offer, but unless the aging process has reversed itself, we do know how much Roy has left.

i agree with most of that clegg. good post brother!

[abadger]

If Jones till has something left and is capable of at least competing with Calzaghe then it could be the tougher fight. Jones is a much more accomplished boxer than Pavlik and his handspeed and timing could give Calzaghe some problems. Pavlik by contrast is an extremely favourable style matchup for Joe, a slow, fairly predictable righty vs a fast counterpunching southpaw. The main thing Joe would have to worry about vs Pavlik is the same as what Hopkins had to worry about vs Taylor: has he got too old?

I personally don't think that Jones does have much left, not enough to live with Calzaghe anyway, and I think it will be an easy Calzaghe victory, so Pavlik would have been the harder fight, exactly how hard is open to question.

[MELLY-MEL...]

If Jones till has something left and is capable of at least competing with Calzaghe then it could be the tougher fight. Jones is a much more accomplished boxer than Pavlik and his handspeed and timing could give Calzaghe some problems. Pavlik by contrast is an extremely favourable style matchup for Joe, a slow, fairly predictable righty vs a fast counterpunching southpaw. The main thing Joe would have to worry about vs Pavlik is the same as what Hopkins had to worry about vs Taylor: has he got too old?

I personally don't think that Jones does have much left, not enough to live with Calzaghe anyway, and I think it will be an easy Calzaghe victory, so Pavlik would have been the harder fight, exactly how hard is open to question.

roy will look good for the first 6 to 8 rds i think. after that he will be beat up. joe is to much for him these days. it is what it is.

[dstew]

The problem with the "styles make fights" argument being used to pump up Jones over Pavlik is that it could still be used regardless of what their condition or age is. Jones could be 50 or 60 and you could still say his "style" is a difficult matchup for Joe, even if he can only execute it for two rounds before passing out in a puddle of his own urine.

I don't care what someone's style is, if they're no longer sharp enough to execute it at a top level, then they won't be effective against another top level fighter. There are SERIOUS doubts about Roy's ability to execute at this point - we all have them, even Joe has them.

[hookoutofhell]

i think roy has aged well i dont think hes as shot as some people make out some ppl seem to think that he has lost all his assets that he once had in his prime. that he is now a mere shadow of what he once was - well most fighters will never live to be shadow of a prime RJJ, most fighters heck most champions will never reach that level.

roy has ged pretty well as a fighter (the 2 KO's considered) in terms of his style - roy was never someone who took alot of shots and he was never someone who had a high activity level he was someone who fought in short bursts, often as a counter move. in that way i still think his style back then is alot like it is now. i think if a prime RJJ was to fight calzaghe then maybe his punch output would maybe be different but not alot else.

i guess it does matter how much RJJ has left in the tank and that is the main debating point i think this is RJJ's last chance and i think he knows it, imo RJJ has moe in the tank than alot of ppl think i guess he'll prove it on fight night.
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