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  • hookoutofhell
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    Calzaghe, jones and pavlik

    i know im i the minority here but i really do believe that JC has gone and taken the tougher fight in RJJ - sounds crazy i know but hear me out. yes pavlik is higher up in the p4p rankings but think about it styles make fights -

    pavlik is an orthodox power puncher with good stamina, its a style that is tailor made for anyone who has good ring smarts like hopkins or calzaghe. besides theres another problem with kelly - lets say joe does beat him which most of us do see him doing, you get the feeling that the majority of US fight fans will just turn around and say what they said when he beat lacey. throw in the fact that i see kessler beating pavlik in the next few years and suddenly pavlik doesn't seem like a worthy foe.

    iv watched calzaghe since his early days and in his latter years he has always spoken of the need for the fighter hes fighting to really motivate him. roy jones however does, roy is mutli weight champion, and without doubt a top 10 p4p fighter if you were to look solely at fighters primes. his achievements cannot be taken away from him, whats more there is an element of recogntion that has eluded calzaghe when he was in his prime (parly his won fault). by beating roy jones Jr now id does open up the argument of how wold joe have handled roy in his prime, who the better SMW was and more importantly who really has been the better fighter over the last 10/15 years.

    calzaghes success is mostly down to his ring smarts, imo he is the best in-ring tactician and his boxing brain is second to none. he takes his oppoents best punches away from them he never let lacy really set himself with a peek-a-boo style, he never let kessler work behind his jab and he took hopkins counter right hand out of the fight after round 4.

    now its hard to see what he will do with RJJ roy is capable of leading with left hooks and straight rights instead of his jab because he is simply that damn good. throw in the fact that roy is quicker than joe (considerably so), more powerful than joe (again considerably so), and so far his biggest weakness (his chin) isn't something that calzaghe can exploit.

    suddenly the fight with pavlik seems to look alot easier?

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    #2
    Stylistically Roy is the tougher fight but the fact remains that he has not beaten a decent opponent in years. Pavlik on the other hand has looked tremendous of late and is a prime fighter. Pavlik is definately the tougher fight right now IMO.

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      #3
      It really depends on how much Jones has left, I mean if he is 80% of what he once was then he perhaps would be a tougher fight than Pavlik, his style would also cause Calzaghe more problems, being a fast, sharp counterpuncher but again it would depend on how much Jones has left.

      Pavlik is a fighter entering his prime, I agree that he's an orthodox fighter but what he does, he does very well, I think Calzaghe would beat him but you never know for sure in boxing. I'm not sure if Kessler vs Pavlik will happen.

      I don't really get how fighting a past prime Roy Jones would motivate Calzaghe more than fighting Pavlik, right now I think Pavlik is a fight that would help his legacy more, he pretty much has nothing to gain and a lot to lose against Jones. And I don't see how much it would open up the discussion of who would win in their primes because if Jones loses, people will just say Calzaghe beat an old man who got knocked out brutally twice.

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        Originally posted by Silencers
        It really depends on how much Jones has left, I mean if he is 80% of what he once was then he perhaps would be a tougher fight than Pavlik, his style would also cause Calzaghe more problems, being a fast, sharp counterpuncher but again it would depend on how much Jones has left.

        Pavlik is a fighter entering his prime, I agree that he's an orthodox fighter but what he does, he does very well, I think Calzaghe would beat him but you never know for sure in boxing. I'm not sure if Kessler vs Pavlik will happen.

        I don't really get how fighting a past prime Roy Jones would motivate Calzaghe more than fighting Pavlik, right now I think Pavlik is a fight that would help his legacy more, he pretty much has nothing to gain and a lot to lose against Jones. And I don't see how much it would open up the discussion of who would win in their primes because if Jones loses, people will just say Calzaghe beat an old man who got knocked out brutally twice.
        If Roy was 80% right now he would win this fight comfortably. Current evidence suggests he is simply a shell.

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          #5
          Originally posted by danc1984
          If Roy was 80% right now he would win this fight comfortably. Current evidence suggests he is simply a shell.
          I don't believe he's 80% of what he once was either.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Silencers
            I don't believe he's 80% of what he once was either.
            God I think he would be lucky to be 40% of prime Jones right now to be honest.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Silencers
              It really depends on how much Jones has left, I mean if he is 80% of what he once was then he perhaps would be a tougher fight than Pavlik, his style would also cause Calzaghe more problems, being a fast, sharp counterpuncher but again it would depend on how much Jones has left.

              Pavlik is a fighter entering his prime, I agree that he's an orthodox fighter but what he does, he does very well, I think Calzaghe would beat him but you never know for sure in boxing. I'm not sure if Kessler vs Pavlik will happen.

              I don't really get how fighting a past prime Roy Jones would motivate Calzaghe more than fighting Pavlik, right now I think Pavlik is a fight that would help his legacy more, he pretty much has nothing to gain and a lot to lose against Jones. And I don't see how much it would open up the discussion of who would win in their primes because if Jones loses, people will just say Calzaghe beat an old man who got knocked out brutally twice.
              good post my friend.

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                Originally posted by danc1984
                God I think he would be lucky to be 40% of prime Jones right now to be honest.
                I agree.

                Originally posted by Melly-Mel
                good post my friend.
                Thanks.

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                  Originally posted by Silencers
                  It really depends on how much Jones has left, I mean if he is 80% of what he once was then he perhaps would be a tougher fight than Pavlik, his style would also cause Calzaghe more problems, being a fast, sharp counterpuncher but again it would depend on how much Jones has left.

                  Pavlik is a fighter entering his prime, I agree that he's an orthodox fighter but what he does, he does very well, I think Calzaghe would beat him but you never know for sure in boxing. I'm not sure if Kessler vs Pavlik will happen.

                  I don't really get how fighting a past prime Roy Jones would motivate Calzaghe more than fighting Pavlik, right now I think Pavlik is a fight that would help his legacy more, he pretty much has nothing to gain and a lot to lose against Jones. And I don't see how much it would open up the discussion of who would win in their primes because if Jones loses, people will just say Calzaghe beat an old man who got knocked out brutally twice.
                  true the fight does depend on how much roy has left but i watched the fight with tito and i watched roy in the build up to the fight in the gym as well and i think he does have that 80%.

                  anway in reagrds to the fighters 10/15 years ago i think i was being a bit unclear. the fight that is gonna happen will give us the chance to look at the 2 fighters and see how they do against each other. neither fighter has really changed their style from their repective primes, and on a superfical level having the right name on the resume will confirm who was te better out of hopkins/JC/RJJ triangle.

                  as i said before neither fighter has really changed their styles alot - therefore the gameplan thatthey come in with now and the gameplan they would have come in with in their primes is likely going to be the same, so it would leave us the fans asking would Roy have executed the gameplan alot better if he was in his prime and had a bit more in the tank or was joe just too smart and too active.
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                    Originally posted by hookoutofhell
                    true the fight does depend on how much roy has left but i watched the fight with tito and i watched roy in the build up to the fight in the gym as well and i think he does have that 80%.

                    anway in reagrds to the fighters 10/15 years ago i think i was being a bit unclear. the fight that is gonna happen will give us the chance to look at the 2 fighters and see how they do against each other. neither fighter has really changed their style from their repective primes, and on a superfical level having the right name on the resume will confirm who was te better out of hopkins/JC/RJJ triangle.

                    as i said before neither fighter has really changed their styles alot - therefore the gameplan thatthey come in with now and the gameplan they would have come in with in their primes is likely going to be the same, so it would leave us the fans asking would Roy have executed the gameplan alot better if he was in his prime and had a bit more in the tank or was joe just too smart and too active.
                    Umm. No. Roy is shot.

                    Period. Stop pumping up Joe. It's really transparent and sad. Joe will win, but Roy is very very shot. LOL@the Tito win meaning Roy is 80 percent.

                    Gotta love it.

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