Two short fights ago

[Welter_Skelter]

Very Good thread Guys... No arguing.. just well thought out posts..

Nice!!!

[Welter_Skelter]

I just want to add.. I am not trying to downplay what Willaims has done.. Only that he is not deserving of the Hype around him..

It's quite possible he is getting better.. but 2 quick KO's dont tell us anything.. except that maybe he has more power than I thought..

I still remember him struggling with Santos Pakau and can't help thinking that 2nd fight with Quintana was a total fluke..

[Vasyl’s dad]

Then you can say tyhe same about Cotto losing to Margarito. Cotto didn't do this he didn't do that. BOTTOM LINE Williams beat margarito and Margarito is listed as the #1 WW right now. That says alot for this guy Williams. I still think he is a freak and should move up too 154 or 160 but never the less he can make 147 so NOW WHAT?,,,,,Lefty

The difference is, Cotto didn't do this or that because he couldn't. Margarito adjusted and put in serious work in the later rounds, enough to have Paul wobbly at one point. There is nothing in Cottos style to suggest that he will be able to do anything different in the future. He gave Tony the most damaging shots hes ever given to anyone, and nothing happened. Margarito when he opened up his offense, made Paul pay the price.

[C.Y.]

The difference is, Cotto didn't do this or that because he couldn't. Margarito adjusted and put in serious work in the later rounds, enough to have Paul wobbly at one point. There is nothing in Cottos style to suggest that he will be able to do anything different in the future. He gave Tony the most damaging shots hes ever given to anyone, and nothing happened. Margarito when he opened up his offense, made Paul pay the price.

and in the 12th round (championship rounds) pwill came on strong and gave margarito the business.. the reason marg wasnt opening up is because he couldnt find openings and he wasnt liking what was coming back (pwill's punches).. marg doesnt do well against fighter bigger than him.. in his fight against pwill he lost 9 rounds to 3 maybe 8 to 4.. he isnt too eager to fight pwill again because he knows more than likely pwill will beat him again

[Vasyl’s dad]

and in the 12th round (championship rounds) pwill came on strong and gave margarito the business.. the reason marg wasnt opening up is because he couldnt find openings and he wasnt liking what was coming back (pwill's punches).. marg doesnt do well against fighter bigger than him.. in his fight against pwill he lost 9 rounds to 3 maybe 8 to 4.. he isnt too eager to fight pwill again because he knows more than likely pwill will beat him again

and despite the 12th, it still doesn't negate the fact that Margarito made in fight adjustments. So, what really is your point in regards to my post?

[-Antonio-]

Paul doesnt get excuses for losing. At the same time, I think Quintana is a good boxer so him losing isnt such a bad thing.

I'm still not sure what to think about Williams. Hard to judge his improvement since he's been knocking guys out so quickly. It's very possible Kolle was just a stiff.

[larryx]

thats why it's called hype BUT maybe like margo the lose made him a better fighter
since the williams loss..margo is 3-0 3ko's
since the quintana loss williams is 2-0 2ko's