Why is Jack Johnson a top ten heavyweight?

[warp1432]

To be honest, I look at a lot of the styles of fighters from that era including Jack Dempsey and Jim Jeffries and I can't see any of them doing well in this era. judging by those grainy video fights of theirs. ]m.

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[joseph5620]

Langford was completely finished by the time Dempsey was around, and Jeffries fought Peter Jackson, who was 46-1 at the time, in Jim's 8th fight. Pretty hilarious to accuse Jeffries of ducking Langford, but then fighting Johnson, who'd already beaten Sam.

Peter Jackson was almost 40 years old and washed up. That was his final fight. I like how you left that detail out.

[Jim Jeffries]

Peter Jackson was almost 40 years old and washed up. That was his final fight. I like how you left that detail out.

Not his final fight and he was 36, any other lies you'd like to spew?

[TheGreatA]

I dont blame him for racism, but I dont respect his choices. I know I dont really have a right to say this, but if everyone looked to me to represent all of my race/country, I would try my best to live respectfully or at least appear that way to the general media. I wouldnt do the exact opposite thats for sure.

but I dont know. my life wouldve probebly been way too different to say for sure.

What do you think of Muhammad Ali?


Ali talks a bout Jack Johnson

What Jack Johnson did may have been selfish but it was still somewhat admirable.

[The Hammer]

200 lb Jack Johnson fighting and leaning on 160-180 lb boxers is the same as 240 lb Wladimir Klitschko fighting and leaning on 200-220 lb boxers.

Wlad's opponents have often been heavier than himself (McCline - 263, Jefferson - 260, Moli - 259, Wolfgamm 287, Purrity, Pannell, Dixon, Thompson, Martin, Monroe, McIntyre, etc).

In only 11 of his 54 pro fights has Wlad outweighed his opponent by more than ten pounds! That's because he was only 220 -229 for most of his early fights. He was 225 against Purrity who was 250.

Lots of big heavyweights nowadays!

[joseph5620]

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Come up with specific details to explain how far Dempsey or Jeffries crude style would get them against fighters from the last 40 years or so. Or Johnson's holding. Also, the writers who saw these fighters fight have been dead for years now. Otherwise you look ignorant not to mention lying about being 15.

[Steak]

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Johnson, Jeffries and Dempsey were pioneers, and came up a lot of what fighters use nowadays. but other fighters built upon what they came up with. they would not have done all that well against the greats of the 50s+.

[Steak]

What do you think of Muhammad Ali?


Ali talks a bout Jack Johnson

What Jack Johnson did may have been selfish but it was still somewhat admirable.

it looks admirable now that we look at it today. one man, standing in defiance against people that hated him unconditionally. sounds nice, but it did nothing at all for the black people around that time. what the black community needed then was not someone to stand in definace of racism, they needed someone to show racists that a black person could be just as respectful as any white person.
Jack Johnson didnt do that.

and honestly, Ali wasnt exactly the best role model either. and his situation with the Vietnam war was completely different for a number of reasons.

[TheGreatA]

Wlad's opponents have often been heavier than himself (McCline - 263, Jefferson - 260, Moli - 259, Wolfgamm 287, Purrity, Pannell, Dixon, Thompson, Martin, Monroe, McIntyre, etc).

In only 11 of his 54 pro fights has Wlad outweighed his opponent by more than ten pounds! That's because he was only 220 -229 for most of his early fights. He was 225 against Purrity who was 250.

Lots of big heavyweights nowadays!

I used Wladimir as a comparison but Lennox Lewis would've been a better one as he is often up there in the top 5 or even number 1 on some lists.
Some of his best wins came over smaller opponents.

Johnson was a big heavyweight for his day which is why he was named the Galveston Giant but he was still no more than 190-200 lbs in his prime.

Come up with specific details to explain how far Dempsey or Jeffries crude style would get them against fighters from the last 40 years or so. Or Johnson's holding. Also, the writers who saw these fighters fight have been dead for years now. Otherwise you look ignorant not to mention lying about being 15.

Dempsey wasn't all that crude. His bobbing and weaving is very similar to Marciano and Frazier.

He 'forgot to duck' in some of his fights but he was very good at it.

[joseph5620]

Not his final fight and he was 36, any other lies you'd like to spew?

36 is close to 40 which is what I said in the first place. Either way he was past his prime. My bad, he had one other fight after Jeffries and was KO'd in 4 rounds. If you want to use Jackson to make your boy Jeffries look good than feel free to make yourself look ignorant.


After 1892 Jackson was unable to obtain fights. Past his prime, he was debilitated by fast living and probably even then tubercular. He taught boxing, worked as a publican, toured as an actor in Uncle Tom's Cabin and boxed exhibitions. In March 1898 he was sacrificed to Jim Jeffries, who flattened him in three rounds, and next year suffered the third of his losses in thirty-seven fights at the hands of a fourth-rater at Vancouver. Money was raised to send him to Australia, where he toured with Fitzgerald's circus but he was too ill to box. After several benefits he was sent to Queensland where he died of tuberculosis at Roma on 13 July 1901. He was buried with Anglican rites and pomp in Toowong cemetery. A magnificent tomb was later erected by subscription with the words, 'This was a man'.