Margarito would stop Mayweather inside 8 rounds

[El Dominicano]

Margarito and Hatton should not even be mentioned in the same paragraph when discussing a fight with Floyd. The advantages Tony brings to the table against Floyd would clearly outweigh any advantages that Hatton had against Floyd. Slower than Hatton or not, it wouldn't matter cuz Tony brings so much more than Fatton in a fight with little Floyd.

I'll make a bar graph comparing DLH with Margarito


DLH


Speed ------------
Power -----------
Ability to cut of the ring ------------
Defense ---------
Stamina -------
Chin ---------------
Going to the body --------

Margarito



Speed: -----
Power: -------------
Ability to cut off the ring: -----
Defense: ----
Stamina: --------------
Chin: -------------------- lolz
Going to the body: --------------

Puas I just wana be a little resonable

How will Margarito beat Mayweather when

1. He is too slow

2. Throws wide looping shots! Which is a DUMB considering your speed

3. He is too damn predictable

4. Margarito is GREAT at aplying pressure...Problem is Mayweather isn't Mentally weak. Its impossible to break his will.

5. Mayweather will smile have an easy time with him. He'll lay on the ropes counter him all day and out jab him. Then he'll await the critisizum after the win.

Just my opinion Puas your still a GREAT thread starter

[El Chicano]

I'll make a bar graph comparing DLH with Margarito


DLH


Speed ------------
Power -----------
Ability to cut of the ring ------------
Defense ---------
Stamina -------
Chin ---------------
Going to the body --------

Margarito



Speed: -----
Power: -------------
Ability to cut off the ring: -----
Defense: ----
Stamina: --------------
Chin: -------------------- lolz
Going to the body: --------------

Puas I just wana be a little resonable

How will Margarito beat Mayweather when

1. He is too slow

2. Throws wide looping shots! Which is a DUMB considering your speed

3. He is too damn predictable

4. Margarito is GREAT at aplying pressure...Problem is Mayweather isn't Mentally weak. Its impossible to break his will.

5. Mayweather will smile have an easy time with him. He'll lay on the ropes counter him all day and out jab him. Then he'll await the critisizum after the win.

Just my opinion Puas your still a GREAT thread starter

The Oscar that Floyd "fought" was just a shawdow of the great fighter he once was. Margarito's advantages in size, workrate, stamina, pressure and power would be enough to have a better performance than Oscar did against Floyd. At this point, Tony brings more to the table than Oscar did.

[El Dominicano]

The Oscar that Floyd "fought" was just a shawdow of the great fighter he once was. Margarito's advantages in size, workrate, stamina, pressure and power would be enough to have a better performance than Oscar did against Floyd. At this point, Tony brings more to the table than Oscar did.

Even that version of Oscar had the better Jab, Ability to cut off the ring and speed. Margarito has ALOT of stamina, Great Chin, Size, Power but that isn't enough to beat Floyd. To beat Floyd...Margarito would have to MAINLY up his speed, throw shorter punches, cut the ring better and develop a good jab.

[El Chicano]

Even that version of Oscar had the better Jab, Ability to cut off the ring and speed. Margarito has ALOT of stamina, Great Chin, Size, Power but that isn't enough to beat Floyd. To beat Floyd...Margarito would have to MAINLY up his speed, throw shorter punches, cut the ring better and develop a good jab.

He may still have those abilities you mentioned above, but he decided not to show them against Floyd. I think Floyd had enough pop to keep Oscar honest. Floyd wouldn't have anything to keep Tony off of him. He'd be in full retreat from the opening bell, and that is exhausting. I can't see how Floyd would win after watching him struggle with a 135 Castillo. Many people were surprised when Cotto fell to Tony, and I think there would be similar results if Floyd fought Tony. I think Floyd feels the same way; he never had any intentions of fighting Margarito. Even Floyd knows his limits.

[BennyST]

The Oscar that Floyd "fought" was just a shawdow of the great fighter he once was. Margarito's advantages in size, workrate, stamina, pressure and power would be enough to have a better performance than Oscar did against Floyd. At this point, Tony brings more to the table than Oscar did.

He brings more to the table against certain fighters. Against Mayweather you need a good, fast jab and straight short punches. Marg has neither.

[El Chicano]

He brings more to the table against certain fighters. Against Mayweather you need a good, fast jab and straight short punches. Marg has neither.

Floyd can bob and weave and slip and slide all night but his body will always be a hitable target. Ask Miguel Cotto.

[El Dominicano]

He may still have those abilities you mentioned above, but he decided not to show them against Floyd. I think Floyd had enough pop to keep Oscar honest. Floyd wouldn't have anything to keep Tony off of him. He'd be in full retreat from the opening bell, and that is exhausting. I can't see how Floyd would win after watching him struggle with a 135 Castillo. Many people were surprised when Cotto fell to Tony, and I think there would be similar results if Floyd fought Tony. I think Floyd feels the same way; he never had any intentions of fighting Margarito. Even Floyd knows his limits.

You make it sound like it was bad enough that he struggled with JLC. It really isn't ...JLC is a GREAT fighter and was considered the best 135 pounder at the time. Honestly, Margarito is NOTHING like JLC.

[BennyST]

He may still have those abilities you mentioned above, but he decided not to show them against Floyd. I think Floyd had enough pop to keep Oscar honest. Floyd wouldn't have anything to keep Tony off of him. He'd be in full retreat from the opening bell, and that is exhausting. I can't see how Floyd would win after watching him struggle with a 135 Castillo. Many people were surprised when Cotto fell to Tony, and I think there would be similar results if Floyd fought Tony. I think Floyd feels the same way; he never had any intentions of fighting Margarito. Even Floyd knows his limits.

He wouldn't need pop to keep Margarito off him. If you can side step and throw Margarito off balance and keep him turning then he can't get set enough to throw anything worth while. Williams beat him and he didn't have enough power to keep Margarito off him.

I can see where you're coming from with this line of thought but Margarito just doesn't have the necessary skills to be able to do anything to overly trouble Mayweather. You have to have a certain amount of speed, defense, ring generalship etc etc in order to be able to put enough pressure on to push him and you need them in larger doses than Marg has.

Pressure means nothing if you cannot actually land anything significant. Against Cotto he was able to land enough to hurt and slow him, but that was against Cotto and Cotto doesn't have the skill or efficiency of Mayweather.

A great boxer does not need power to beat a pressure fighter. You need angles, jab, speed, efficient footwork and movement. Mayweather has all of these and more. Margarito is a great exciting fighter but he is not the guy that would beat Mayweather. He just does not have the style at all to win. He does, however, have the exact style that Mayweather excels at beating. Slow, pressure fighter with no defense against counters that can be confused with movement and needs to be set to punch.

[El Dominicano]

He wouldn't need pop to keep Margarito off him. If you can side step and throw Margarito off balance and keep him turning then he can't get set enough to throw anything worth while. Williams beat him and he didn't have enough power to keep Margarito off him.

I can see where you're coming from with this line of thought but Margarito just doesn't have the necessary skills to be able to do anything to overly trouble Mayweather. You have to have a certain amount of speed, defense, ring generalship etc etc in order to be able to put enough pressure on to push him and you ned them in larger doses than Marg has.

Pressure means nothing if you cannot actually land anything significant. Against Cotto he was able to land enough to hurt and slow him, but that was against Cotto and Cotto doesn't have the skill or efficiency of Mayweather.

A great boxer does not need power to beat a pressure fighter. You need angles, jab, speed, efficient footwork and movement. Mayweather has all of these and more. Margarito is a great exciting fighter but he is not the guy that would beat Mayweather. He just does not have the style at all to win. He does, however, have the exact style that Mayweather excels at beating. Slow, pressure fighter with no defense against counters that can be confused with movement and needs to be set to punch.

A good read. Well put

[BennyST]

Floyd can bob and weave and slip and slide all night but his body will always be a hitable target. Ask Miguel Cotto.

Well, Cotto is a vastly different type of fighter than Mayweather. Cotto allowed himself to get hit to the body by laying on the ropes. If you think the Cotto/Marg fight would be similar to a May/Marg fight you're sorely mistaken. They would so different that it wouldn't even be possible to compare them in any way, shape or form. Chalk and cheese mate. Chalk and cheese.

Cotto is a fighter. He is a mid-range pressure fighter that also has some boxing skills against limited opposition. He fought a fight that was perfect for Marg to excel at. He lay on the ropes and exhausted himself with much unnecessary movement when he wasn't against them. Cotto is also not very good at defending his body. He keeps his hands up in a very high guard like ear-muffs which exposes his body.

Mayweather is a pure defensive counter puncher that will not fight under any circumstances. He would keep the majority of the fight in the centre of the ring and use small lateral steps to offset Marg's offense which would create his counter opportunities.

On the ropes Mayweather has the perfect defense to negate Marg's offense. He knows how to protect his body brilliantly and use that same defense to open up counter shots. You would know from seeing Mayweather fight that he keeps his right elbow tightly tucked in to cover his liver and the left shoulder up to ward off head shots. Margarito would not be able to hit him in the head and he would try to go to the body a lot whenever Mayweather lay on the ropes, which wouldn't be that often. The right elbow blocking the left hook to the body sets up two main shots for Mayweather - A straight right counter while the left hook is being thrown, which will often get there well before the left hook does therefore throwing it off target and also a counter right, short uppercut or hook which is thrown after the left hook has been blocked. These two punches would land very frequently on Margarito on the inside and, whether you think so or not, it would make him throw that punch less than he normally would simply because he knows that when he throws that punch there will always be a solidly landed right hand counter coming back that will score openly.

It is possible, though very unlikely, that he could even put Margarito down with one of those shots, especially the straight right counter. I know this might sound crazy, but it's not as crazy as you might think. Now, just to clarify, this would not be the result of a punch that would hurt Margarito therefore sending him down but a punch that would land while Marg is in the middle of throwing and quite off balance and could therefore put him down simply through that. It nearly happened to Oscar at 154 numerous times throughout the fight and Oscar has nearly as good a chin as Marg. It is not about power, but landing while off balance and not seeing the shot. Anyway, I don't actually think that would happen but those shots would score very well and they look powerful. I would like to see Marg beat him but I just know that he doesn't have the skill needed to do it.