Why do people think Wladimir is gonna beat Haye?

[kenso]

it took wladimir 6 rounds to grow a pair of balls agaisnt the light hitting chris byrd, he never riskt to fight aggersive againt ibragimov. So there is no way wladimir is gonna KO Haye under 3 rounds. If this was the wladimir before the sanders fight he would probabaly knock hayes head of but not anymore,he is gonna try to do what he has done in his last 6 fights and Haye is gonna make him pay for it.

thanks for the green k btw

wladimir fights as aggressive as his opponents do, usually they are timid so he spends time figuring them out then starts throwing the heavy stuff. ibragimov had no desire to ever engage wladimir, so that had alot to do with it, im not taking up for wlad in that fight, it was boring, but it was his only one that was boring out of... every other fight.

if haye comes out throwing bombs, wlad is going to catch and opening on haye and sink a monstrous left or a right, and end it early. with that said, haye's best chance is to probably lay it all on the line early, cause he isnt a better boxer than klitschko, and to honestly believe that haye's boxing skills are BETTER than wlads, you might need to put down the bottle man.

watch the brewster fight, brewster came out trying to throw bombs and was getting the **** beat out of him early. i dont think haye would be able to even take the JABS brewster took. re watch the first three rounds of that fight, my god, have you ever seen a better display of jabbing?! thats what happens when fighters try to get aggressive with wlad. if wlads body wasnt ****ed up, brewster would have been annihilated. if haye comes out throwing like brewster was trying to, the same exact thing is going to happen, except that wlad wont have anything wrong with him, and haye probably wont get up from the brutal knockdown.

the only person i think thats going to beat klitschko is someone thats truly more skilled than him, and i dont see any fighter even close to the skills wlad has.... wlad isnt gonna "get tired" and i think he has matured too much since working with emmanuel steward to get caught by some wild ass punch. i am trying to imagine haye expressing dominance over wlad in the early rounds without taking punishment, and i just can't imagine it...

[Ryn0]

wladimir is a MASTER at not getting hit cleanly, i think people disregard how excellent his defense really is. you can say wlad moves like a robot if you want, but he is methodical, consistant, hard to hit, and if you want to land something on him, usually you are going to be eating alot of shots trying to get inside. reach advantage wont really make too big of a difference cause haye is shorter.

everything wladimir has is better than hayes, maybe haye is a little faster, but to be honest if he even is, its not by much, not enough to make a difference i dont think. wlad has more power in both his right and left, has a MUCH better jab, is a much smarter boxer IMO, has much more experience than haye, and he is great at sticking to his game plan. he is a very mature fighter both inside and outside of the ring, and i just dont think the same thing can be said about haye.

haye is by no means a bad fighter, but i do think hes a ***** for calling out mercer and chapman when he is claiming to stir up a storm in the heavyweight division.

im looking for this fight to be exciting, and have a great build up, and im not counting haye out, i think he will lose but an upset is possible, but the only people that are saying haye is 100% definitely going to win are the haters, and if haye loses they will just talk about how ****ty haye was and give wlad no credit.

That's a great post but the two thing I disagree with are the power and speed. Haye's power at HW is unproven so it could be alot better or worse than Wlads against top opposition. I think Haye has a considerable advatange in speed though everything else is spot on

[theghost#1]

I can't figure it out, haye has the reach advantage, he has the power advantage cause he is shorter then wlad. Haye is more elusive and has great headmovement unlike wladimir who moves like a robot. Haye has a suspected chin but so does Wlad. All Wlad really can do is 1-2 and clinch, Haye is gonna figure Wlad out and KO him when Wlad tries to get into a clinch.

Haye has more power cause he is shorter are you fu&*ing crazy. Reach advantage hell no. Terrible post.

[kenso]

That's a great post but the two thing I disagree with are the power and speed. Haye's power at HW is unproven so it could be alot better or worse than Wlads against top opposition. I think Haye has a considerable advatange in speed though everything else is spot on

i just dont think haye's speed will be apparent in the match, thats just my opinion. wladimir is plenty fast enough to land shots on haye, and intelligently defend against them, and i just dont see haye taking advantage of anything with extreme speed, cause hes fast but i dont think it could possibly be a big enough difference to do anything.

i think power is also meaningless here, they are both big punchers, i still cant possibly imagine haye having more power than wlads left, BUT i admit i may be wrong. the point is mostly though that each fighter has more than enough power to knock the other out, but klitschko has so many more tools in his favor than haye does.

another thing i forgot to point out is, that wladimir is damn near impossible to train for....

[lparm]

Haye proved he's the king of the cruisers but until he beats a top 10 heavy and wins big there's no proof that he can beat Wlad. At this point we have to look at the facts, Wlad is the #1 heavy he's beaten several top guys since his loss to Brewster and counts now Brewster among his victims. Haye beat some lowly heavy and seemingly only wants to fight the ancient Mercer. Based on how they've performed at heavyweight the obvious choice rigt now is a win by Wlad. That could change and questions will be raised if Haye starts beating top heavyweights, but the burden is on him. The ball is in his court.

[Ryn0]

Haye has more power cause he is shorter are you fu&*ing crazy. Reach advantage hell no. Terrible post.

Haye does actually have a reach advantage over Wlad! Surprising I know.

[02bash]

haye has only fought one heavyweigt boxer and that boxer can not counter punch

i am semi fan of haye but if he fights wlad in his next fight he will be punished and will get knocked out that is why wladimar is agreeing to fight him now rather than later

if i was haye i would have 2-4 more fights then go for the big cheese

[Ryn0]

i just dont think haye's speed will be apparent in the match, thats just my opinion. wladimir is plenty fast enough to land shots on haye, and intelligently defend against them, and i just dont see haye taking advantage of anything with extreme speed, cause hes fast but i dont think it could possibly be a big enough difference to do anything.

i think power is also meaningless here, they are both big punchers, i still cant possibly imagine haye having more power than wlads left, BUT i admit i may be wrong. the point is mostly though that each fighter has more than enough power to knock the other out, but klitschko has so many more tools in his favor than haye does.

another thing i forgot to point out is, that wladimir is damn near impossible to train for....

Wlad is quite easy to beat as long as you have the right dimentions, A Foreman or Vitali would easily KO him because they are near impossible to KO (unless they are exhausted like Foreman-Ali) and can **** hard.

Haye may be able to beat Wlad if Wlad is careless as he does often seem to be under extreme pressure. No one of recent has tried to take the fight to Wlad they have hung back on the end of his jab and been content on the receiving end of it. If Haye tries to blitz Wlad out of there early and get inside his jab he may well KO him. The further the fight goes the more I will favour Wlad by KO though.

[Pugilistic™]

Haye has flaws that Wlad could take advantage of.

Haye's chin is weak and has been put down a few times against much lighter hitters than Wlad. Wlads power is the best at heavyweight today.

Wlad also has a tremendous jab and a monster right hand and is technically sound.

[kenso]

Wlad is quite easy to beat as long as you have the right dimentions, A Foreman or Vitali would easily KO him because they are near impossible to KO (unless they are exhausted like Foreman-Ali) and can **** hard.

Haye may be able to beat Wlad if Wlad is careless as he does often seem to be under extreme pressure. No one of recent has tried to take the fight to Wlad they have hung back on the end of his jab and been content on the receiving end of it. If Haye tries to blitz Wlad out of there early and get inside his jab he may well KO him. The further the fight goes the more I will favour Wlad by KO though.

there are no foremans around though to show us if wlad could have been beaten by him or not. no one is able to get inside on wlad cause they cant get past his arsenal, but if anyone had a chin to do it, foreman might have been the man. say what you want though, but foreman never had the technical skills wlad has.

i still think though, like you, that taking the fight to wlad is the best way to win, but haye just doesnt have the chin to take the fight to wlad, and he doesnt have the skills to prevent wlad from landing big stuff while trying to take the fight to wlad.

anything is possible, but for now i think all of my points have been made.