Why all these talk about Kessler?

[badboypeenoy]

Simple.
Abraham has made 8 defenses of his IBF belt. Kelly recently took the belt from Taylor, who didn't look convincing in his previous against B.Hop ("over the top" as stated by the thread starter). I like Pavlik, and I'd like to see more, but the hype is just to much.

Would Kessler look better if Andrade, who he brilliantly outclassed, took the IBF belt from Bute in Okt.?

I like Pavlik because he's very busy inside the ring no matter who is in front of him, he just lets his hands go. Any fighter would have problems facing a fighter with that kind of workrate. Makes you think of Calzaghe's style doesn't it?

[abadger]

I like Pavlik because he's very busy inside the ring no matter who is in front of him, he just lets his hands go. Any fighter would have problems facing a fighter with that kind of workrate. Makes you think of Calzaghe's style doesn't it?

Not really.

[Stickman]

I like Pavlik because he's very busy inside the ring no matter who is in front of him, he just lets his hands go. Any fighter would have problems facing a fighter with that kind of workrate. Makes you think of Calzaghe's style doesn't it?

Yep, just like Calzaghe...except for handspeed, experience, ring smarts, chin...just like 'em.

All joking aside, Pavlik's work rate is beautiful, and like you, it's one of the things I like most about him. It's still somewhat short of Zaggs', but not by much. Another thing he has in common with Joe, is conditioning, which is the primary reason both of these guys have been as successful as they are, what allows them to keep their workrates at the level they are, and what I respect and admire most in both fighters. Other than that, the similarity pretty much ends. I wish, oh, how I wish, that ALL fighters had the dedication and desire to be in as good a condition as these two guys. Don't get me wrong, there are many others who do it (Kessler, Marquez, Mayweather, just to name a few), but there are just as many who figure that if they can keep up for 6 rounds, it's good enough, and that really, really pisses me off. Having been in that sort of condition for a significant portion of my life, I know what it takes to reach, and maintain that plateau, and even if I can't stand the fighter himself (Mayweather, for example), I have assloads of respect for that sort of dedication. And if all fighters worked that hard, the shows we'd see inside the ring would be nothing short of hall of fame quality nearly every night.

[Flawless.]

Calzaghe need Kessler to become a great fighter or else his resume and legacy is finished, but the fact is Hopkins was Calzaghes best win

[Stickman]

I think, in part, that's true. Hopkins' is probably the most significant win, because of his reputation, and being the first US fight for Calzaghe. His most dramatic win, however, and what really woke up the US boxing fans, was Lacy.

I don't think Kessler's future performances will mean much to Calzaghe's legacy, in that anything from this point on will be accredited to Kessler's having improved and gained experience after the fact. I think it was a great win, especially considering how amaturish he made Kessler appear (and nobody else on the planet would be able to make him look that clueless), but honestly don't think his future fights will change things much.

[dstew]

Simple.
Abraham has made 8 defenses of his IBF belt. Kelly recently took the belt from Taylor, who didn't look convincing in his previous against B.Hop ("over the top" as stated by the thread starter). I like Pavlik, and I'd like to see more, but the hype is just to much.

LMAO at the suggestion that Abraham's 8 bull**** defenses are better than Taylor's resumé in order to diminish Pavlik's wins.

Remember you said that when you're watching Abraham defend against Raul Marquez, who a young contender named Jermain Taylor knocked out back in 2004. Or that AA won the belt in the first place by beating Ikeke, who went on to lose to a suspect Jean Pascal.

[badboypeenoy]

Yep, just like Calzaghe...except for handspeed, experience, ring smarts, chin...just like 'em.

All joking aside, Pavlik's work rate is beautiful, and like you, it's one of the things I like most about him. It's still somewhat short of Zaggs', but not by much. Another thing he has in common with Joe, is conditioning, which is the primary reason both of these guys have been as successful as they are, what allows them to keep their workrates at the level they are, and what I respect and admire most in both fighters. Other than that, the similarity pretty much ends. I wish, oh, how I wish, that ALL fighters had the dedication and desire to be in as good a condition as these two guys. Don't get me wrong, there are many others who do it (Kessler, Marquez, Mayweather, just to name a few), but there are just as many who figure that if they can keep up for 6 rounds, it's good enough, and that really, really pisses me off. Having been in that sort of condition for a significant portion of my life, I know what it takes to reach, and maintain that plateau, and even if I can't stand the fighter himself (Mayweather, for example), I have assloads of respect for that sort of dedication. And if all fighters worked that hard, the shows we'd see inside the ring would be nothing short of hall of fame quality nearly every night.

I was being sarcastic

[Flawless.]

AA got his jaw broken by Edison Miranda and he went 12 rounds with him the first time and KO the second time when he over trained.

Pavlik first time KO Taylot and beat him the second time.

There is a difference

[Guest]

AA got his jaw broken by Edison Miranda and he went 12 rounds with him the first time and KO the second time when he over trained.

Pavlik first time KO Taylot and beat him the second time.

There is a difference

Pavlik won both fights. So did AA.
Both won by ko, and by decision.

That part is the same.

[Flawless.]

Pavlik won both fights. So did AA.
Both won by ko, and by decision.

That part is the same.

Taylor beat Hopkins
Miranda beat ??

Pavlik KO Miranda and Taylor in his first go, AA got his jaw broken in his first go