Is Hopkins an ATG??

[Flawless.]

just because he had trouble making weight doesn't mean tito was not a natural 147 guy.

If you can't make that weight it means it not your natural weight

[IMDAZED]

That's a great video, whoever posted that.

Anyway, I'm not a big fan of stats (20 title defenses, etc), but accomplishments and quality of opposition. Bernard Hopkins excels in both by a lot.

He dominated the middleweight division...he beat everyone. I mean, everyone. And his win over Felix Trinidad is really underrated on these boards. I hate to say this but...if you're one of those people that dismisses it, you're probably a relative newcomer to the sport. You'd never admit it on here but you know who you are.

To simply rebut that Trinidad was smaller is ****** for several reasons. Don't make me bring them up.

Furthermore, leaping TWO divisions and defeating another pound for pounder in Antonio Tarver is tremendous. Hopkins has been ranked pound for pound for over a decade...still! (Even though I don't believe he is at this stage). That said, his recent losses are heavily disputed and I, for one, believe he won the first Taylor fight with a couple rounds to spare.

Simply put, Hopkins isn't an All-Time Great, he's a true all-timer. And as boring as he is now is as exciting as he was in his prime. In both those eras Hopkins showed skills that should be appreciated in this age of the forgotten art.

[-Swizzy-]

just because he had trouble making weight doesn't mean tito was not a natural 147 guy.

majority of his fights was at 147. he only had a few fights at 154.

tito is a natural 147 guy.

bernard is a big 160 guy.

I'm not your guy, friend.

[Stickman]

No, I am a Iraqi man who lives in Basra and is a policeman who loves boxing

Glad to have you on the forum, Flawless. I knew a few men who lived in your city back in '91, good men all of them.

[Left Hook Tua]

If you can't make that weight it means it not your natural weight

that's an ignorant statement.

joan guzman couldn't make 135.

you telling me joan guzman is a natural 140 guy?

your natural weight is where you are most effective.

everyone is different.

[Left Hook Tua]

I'm not your guy, friend.

lmao

wait 'til we invade you guys.

[El Dominicano]

I'm not your guy, friend.

Your not my friend buddy!!

[-Swizzy-]

Your not my friend buddy!!

I'm not your buddy guy

[IMDAZED]

that's an ignorant statement.

joan guzman couldn't make 135.

you telling me joan guzman is a natural 140 guy?

your natural weight is where you are most effective.

everyone is different.

What does" natural" mean?

Most of Roy Jones' fights were at 160.

He moved up to 168 because he couldn't make weight.

Then he was champ at 175.

Then heavyweight.

I guess we should poo-pooh his losses because he was a "natural" middle.

[El Dominicano]

I'm not your buddy guy

I'm not your buddy PAL!